[ArtK78]

CSGibson, on 2014-February-11, 01:53, said:

Its hard to tell sometimes when you don't use the quote. And, of course, what the hell is a kit (rhetorical, I don't care, but obviously not a term that's universal).

Kit - From kitbag, or kit bag, is what soldiers called their bags that held, well, everything they needed to carry around with them. Often used with Kaboodle or Caboodle ("the whole kit and kaboodle"), which also referred to a collection of items or friends, and may be derived from inheritance or estate. Kaboodle was often shortened to boodle, and in that form it may be interchangeable with bootie, as in illegally obtained funds.

That may not be what Ed is referring to, but I like it.

[PhilKing]

On a related topic, should I alert an opening bid of 1♥? I play it as natural and non-forcing with at least a five-card suit. However, it can lead to many conventional situations.

Perhaps a description such as "natural, but may lead to Kaplan inversion, Jacoby, two-over-one relay auction or some coded splinter situations." Perhaps through laziness, I have been letting it slide and I am feeling a bit guilty.

[WellSpyder]

PhilKing, on 2014-February-11, 10:10, said:

Perhaps through laziness, I have been letting it slide and I am feeling a bit guilty.

Do you really need to alert this? Doesn't the EBU accept the divine right of kings?

[jeffford76]

PhilKing, on 2014-February-11, 10:10, said:

On a related topic, should I alert an opening bid of 1♥? I play it as natural and non-forcing with at least a five-card suit. However, it can lead to many conventional situations.

Perhaps a description such as "natural, but may lead to Kaplan inversion, Jacoby, two-over-one relay auction or some coded splinter situations." Perhaps through laziness, I have been letting it slide and I am feeling a bit guilty.

Perhaps it would be safest to alert all your bids. And maybe the passes too.

[mycroft]

but at least in some ZOs, not the doubles or redoubles, and they are by regulation "self-Alerting". You'll get in trouble if you do that.

[aguahombre]

mycroft, on 2014-February-11, 11:09, said:

but at least in some ZOs, not the doubles or redoubles, and they are by regulation "self-Alerting". You'll get in trouble if you do that.

We also get in trouble if we assume Phil was serious.

[ArtK78]

aguahombre, on 2014-February-11, 12:21, said:

We also get in trouble if we assume Phil was serious.

We also get in trouble if we read Phil's posts. They should come with a warning label.

[barmar]

ArtK78, on 2014-February-11, 14:17, said:

We also get in trouble if we read Phil's posts. They should come with a warning label.

Maybe they should be alerted.

[chasetb]

ArtK78, on 2014-February-11, 09:26, said:

Kit - From kitbag, or kit bag, is what soldiers called their bags that held, well, everything they needed to carry around with them. Often used with Kaboodle or Caboodle ("the whole kit and kaboodle"), which also referred to a collection of items or friends, and may be derived from inheritance or estate. Kaboodle was often shortened to boodle, and in that form it may be interchangeable with bootie, as in illegally obtained funds.

That may not be what Ed is referring to, but I like it.

Just pack up your troubles in your old kit bag and smile, smile, smile

Kit could also refer to that guy who wrote Partnership Defense. I think it won an award or two.

aguahombre, on 2014-February-11, 12:21, said:

We also get in trouble if we assume Phil was serious.

ArtK78, on 2014-February-11, 14:17, said:

We also get in trouble if we read Phil's posts. They should come with a warning label.

barmar, on 2014-February-11, 15:19, said:

Maybe they should be alerted.

The right half of my brain says it's only an announcement, like over 1NT openings in the ACBL. The left half of my brain says it's not only Alertable, but is actually a pre-Alert at the start of every round.

[Vampyr]

blackshoe, on 2014-February-08, 20:05, said:

As I understand it, if you have no "kit", then your suit response to partner's double of a weak 2 is natural, probably five or more cards in the suit, and anything from 0 HCP up to just below whatever you would cue bid with. IOW a natural and (nearly) unlimited bid. As near as I can tell, given that the ACBL alert regulations don't directly address this auction at all, such bids do not require an alert. An assumption here is that you would pass the double only with a hand that wants to convert it to penalty. I think (I could be wrong) that if you would also pass on some hands because you are "not strong enough to bid", that still requires no alert.

I think you misunderstand. If you are playing Lebensohl, a 3-level response to partner's takeout double promises values. I cannot imagine this not requiring an alert.

[WellSpyder]

Vampyr, on 2014-February-12, 06:51, said:

I think you misunderstand. If you are playing Lebensohl, a 3-level response to partner's takeout double promises values. I cannot imagine this requiring an alert.

Maybe I have misunderstood something now, but does this say what you meant to say? I have always alerted a 3-level response to partner's take-out double precisely because it promises values whereas it would not do so if I weren't playing Lebensohl. It therefore shows something that would be unexpected by an oppo who didn't know I was playing Lebensohl. Isn't that a good reason for an alert?

[Vampyr]

WellSpyder, on 2014-February-12, 08:12, said:

Maybe I have misunderstood something now, but does this say what you meant to say? I have always alerted a 3-level response to partner's take-out double precisely because it promises values whereas it would not do so if I weren't playing Lebensohl. It therefore shows something that would be unexpected by an oppo who didn't know I was playing Lebensohl. Isn't that a good reason for an alert?

LOL there was a "not" missing in my post. I have gone back and fixed it.

[barmar]

Vampyr, on 2014-February-12, 06:51, said:

I think you misunderstand. If you are playing Lebensohl, a 3-level response to partner's takeout double promises values. I cannot imagine this not requiring an alert.

But blackshoe said "if you have no kit", meaning that you're not playing Lebensohl. He meant "kit" to refer to a convention or gadget that allows you to be more specific than traditional responses to takeout doubles.

[blackshoe]

'Kit" is British slang for, I think, "tools" or some such. Stefanie (Vampyr) used it, so I replied in kind. Sorry if it wasn't as obvious as I thought it was what I was doing.

[kevperk]

CSGibson, on 2014-February-11, 01:53, said:

Its hard to tell sometimes when you don't use the quote. And, of course, what the hell is a kit (rhetorical, I don't care, but obviously not a term that's universal).

I think it is similar to gadget, tool, convention.

[aguahombre]

I thought a kit was a collection of tools, conventions, gadgets....similar to the rhetorical "bag". So, if we have no kit, Lebensohl is just one of the things we don't have available for the occasion.