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This was from a practice match I had last night against our commonwealth team for next month, I wasn't too sure quite how to evaluate this one (for better or worse, 1C-4H would have been EKCB). Do you go on here?
Are you worth a move partner jumps to game in own suit after reverse
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Posted 2014-August-14, 06:45
This was from a practice match I had last night against our commonwealth team for next month, I wasn't too sure quite how to evaluate this one (for better or worse, 1C-4H would have been EKCB). Do you go on here?
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Posted 2014-August-14, 06:54
I think slam is good if partner has two keycards, and the five-level seems reasonably safe if he has only one.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 07:36
I would let it go we've already shown a good hand and p leaped to game . Surely he could've taken some other action with slam interest
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Posted 2014-August-14, 07:58
On the one hand, slam is likely to be cold opposite:
xx
KJTxxxx
xx
Ax
(would partner bid 4♥ on these cards over the reverse?)
On the other hand, 4 is the limit if partner has this unlikely collection:
Kxx
JTxxxxxx
x
x
Somewhere in between would be a hand like:
xxx
KTxxxxx
xx
A
In all likelihood, Helene is probably right. Opposite 2 key cards slam should have a lot of play, and otherwise the 5 level is likely to be safe.
xx
KJTxxxx
xx
Ax
(would partner bid 4♥ on these cards over the reverse?)
On the other hand, 4 is the limit if partner has this unlikely collection:
Kxx
JTxxxxxx
x
x
Somewhere in between would be a hand like:
xxx
KTxxxxx
xx
A
In all likelihood, Helene is probably right. Opposite 2 key cards slam should have a lot of play, and otherwise the 5 level is likely to be safe.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 08:42
5H
To answer the general question: yes, for sure are you worth a move.
The next question is harder to answer, what should be the move, are you
strong enough to force to slam, on the way checking, if enough KC are on
board?
In the end know your partner. I would say, no, so I am just inviting via 5H,
if partner has less than 2 KC, he will decline, otherwise he will accept
if the slam has reasonable chances, Arts 3rd example ... he will decline due
to only having a 6th heart, and not holding the Jack.
With kind regards
Marlowe
To answer the general question: yes, for sure are you worth a move.
The next question is harder to answer, what should be the move, are you
strong enough to force to slam, on the way checking, if enough KC are on
board?
In the end know your partner. I would say, no, so I am just inviting via 5H,
if partner has less than 2 KC, he will decline, otherwise he will accept
if the slam has reasonable chances, Arts 3rd example ... he will decline due
to only having a 6th heart, and not holding the Jack.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2014-August-14, 08:44
ArtK78, on 2014-August-14, 07:58, said:
On the one hand, slam is likely to be cold opposite:
xx
KJTxxxx
xx
Ax
(would partner bid 4♥ on these cards over the reverse?)
On the other hand, 4 is the limit if partner has this unlikely collection:
Kxx
JTxxxxxx
x
x
Somewhere in between would be a hand like:
xxx
KTxxxxx
xx
A
In all likelihood, Helene is probably right. Opposite 2 key cards slam should have a lot of play, and otherwise the 5 level is likely to be safe.
xx
KJTxxxx
xx
Ax
(would partner bid 4♥ on these cards over the reverse?)
On the other hand, 4 is the limit if partner has this unlikely collection:
Kxx
JTxxxxxx
x
x
Somewhere in between would be a hand like:
xxx
KTxxxxx
xx
A
In all likelihood, Helene is probably right. Opposite 2 key cards slam should have a lot of play, and otherwise the 5 level is likely to be safe.
If your partner jumps to 4♥ with three controls, in a suit that cannot play opposite a void despite a void being possible, then your partner is an idiot beyond redemption.
The "unlikely" collection you describe is the only "likely" hand of the three.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 10:17
Depends on pard. If he's the sort of person who would bid 4H on AK 7th, bid on. Else pass.
The strongest hand I would bid 4H on is something like
xx
AJTxxxx
xxx
x
The strongest hand I would bid 4H on is something like
xx
AJTxxxx
xxx
x
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Posted 2014-August-14, 10:30
P_Marlowe, on 2014-August-14, 08:42, said:
5H
To answer the general question: yes, for sure are you worth a move.
The next question is harder to answer, what should be the move, are you
strong enough to force to slam, on the way checking, if enough KC are on
board?
In the end know your partner. I would say, no, so I am just inviting via 5H,
if partner has less than 2 KC, he will decline, otherwise he will accept
if the slam has reasonable chances, Arts 3rd example ... he will decline due
to only having a 6th heart, and not holding the Jack.
With kind regards
Marlowe
To answer the general question: yes, for sure are you worth a move.
The next question is harder to answer, what should be the move, are you
strong enough to force to slam, on the way checking, if enough KC are on
board?
In the end know your partner. I would say, no, so I am just inviting via 5H,
if partner has less than 2 KC, he will decline, otherwise he will accept
if the slam has reasonable chances, Arts 3rd example ... he will decline due
to only having a 6th heart, and not holding the Jack.
With kind regards
Marlowe
5h here will probably be understood as bid 6 with a spade control:)
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Posted 2014-August-14, 10:32
given the bidding the 5 level feels safe so trying for slam here via
4n
looks like the way to go.
4n
looks like the way to go.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 10:37
whereagles, on 2014-August-14, 10:17, said:
Depends on pard. If he's the sort of person who would bid 4H on AK 7th, bid on. Else pass.
The strongest hand I would bid 4H on is something like
xx
AJTxxxx
xxx
x
The strongest hand I would bid 4H on is something like
xx
AJTxxxx
xxx
x
I think partner should have a good and long heart suit and not that much else, he is prepared to play 4♥ opposite xxx, x, AKxx, AKQJx, so he won't have some of the anaemic collections posted above which are 2♥ and 3♥ bids.
I'd expect the sort of hand that knows it's playing in hearts (so has 8 or 7 good ones), and knows it's playing in game rather than a partscore so has some guts to it, something like Kx, KJ10xxxxx, xx, x or AK 7th or 8th and out. Keycard should be safe, and I'll bid 6 opposite 2.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 12:34
If my partner is capable of bidding 4H with:
xx
KJTxxxx
xx
Ax
1. Yes, I make a move
2. After the game we have a long talk about what we think a 4H bid should look like on this auction
Otherwise, I'm passing. Then again we don't reverse light, if we did then I might rethink...
xx
KJTxxxx
xx
Ax
1. Yes, I make a move
2. After the game we have a long talk about what we think a 4H bid should look like on this auction
Otherwise, I'm passing. Then again we don't reverse light, if we did then I might rethink...
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Posted 2014-August-14, 16:33
Partner made a double jump, I am not remotely close to have enough extras to come on. If we make slam I bet partner had a 3♥ bid.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 22:28
Easy pass for me.
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Posted 2014-August-14, 23:09
PASS!
I bet partner has ♠xx ♥KJTxxxxx ♦x ♣Qx, everything sat offsides and South gets a Club ruff (Clubs are 5-1) for 5♥-1
I bet partner has ♠xx ♥KJTxxxxx ♦x ♣Qx, everything sat offsides and South gets a Club ruff (Clubs are 5-1) for 5♥-1
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Posted 2014-August-14, 23:16
Pass. With 2 keycards, partner would have bid 3♥ (which in any system I know is forcing to game), not 4♥.
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Posted 2014-August-15, 01:41
Hmnn thinking more about it pass is probably best. If partner has two kcs he really should have nothing else. With akxxxxx of hearts we need hearts to split and we need to guess the clubs right. We could also be down on the lead of a stiff club
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Posted 2014-August-15, 08:10
akwoo, on 2014-August-14, 23:16, said:
Pass. With 2 keycards, partner would have bid 3♥ (which in any system I know is forcing to game), not 4♥.
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Posted 2014-August-15, 08:56
easy pass.
pard has something close to:
xx..Axxxxxxx..xx..x
pard has something close to:
xx..Axxxxxxx..xx..x
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Posted 2014-August-15, 13:44
I don't think automatic pass is right - it depends entirely on the meaning of 3H/4H.
With an Axxxxxx type hand, I can bid 2H, 3H, 4H and get the message across that my hand is not worth much outside of playing hearts. With a better hand and suit, xx, AKxxxx, xxx, Qx, I can bid 3H.
But what if all I have is a very strong heart suit: xx, AKJ10xxx, xx, xx?
In my opinion, this last hand should be the "picture bid" of 4H, in which case it would not be unreasonable to bid 6H.
With an Axxxxxx type hand, I can bid 2H, 3H, 4H and get the message across that my hand is not worth much outside of playing hearts. With a better hand and suit, xx, AKxxxx, xxx, Qx, I can bid 3H.
But what if all I have is a very strong heart suit: xx, AKJ10xxx, xx, xx?
In my opinion, this last hand should be the "picture bid" of 4H, in which case it would not be unreasonable to bid 6H.
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Posted 2014-August-15, 16:07
Winstonm, on 2014-August-15, 13:44, said:
I don't think automatic pass is right - it depends entirely on the meaning of 3H/4H.
With an Axxxxxx type hand, I can bid 2H, 3H, 4H and get the message across that my hand is not worth much outside of playing hearts. With a better hand and suit, xx, AKxxxx, xxx, Qx, I can bid 3H.
But what if all I have is a very strong heart suit: xx, AKJ10xxx, xx, xx?
In my opinion, this last hand should be the "picture bid" of 4H, in which case it would not be unreasonable to bid 6H.
With an Axxxxxx type hand, I can bid 2H, 3H, 4H and get the message across that my hand is not worth much outside of playing hearts. With a better hand and suit, xx, AKxxxx, xxx, Qx, I can bid 3H.
But what if all I have is a very strong heart suit: xx, AKJ10xxx, xx, xx?
In my opinion, this last hand should be the "picture bid" of 4H, in which case it would not be unreasonable to bid 6H.
Actually I agree with this, but I assumed that if 4H was agreed as a picture bid, then OP would have mentioned this. The default without further discussion seems to be fast arrival, not picture bids.