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Your lead 2NT all pass

#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2005-February-26, 20:32

Playing online at MPs, red vul. RHO deals and opens 2NT, which is passed out. What do you lead from...

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void
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Posted 2005-February-26, 20:51

Q of H

Second choice=Low club

Not trying to beat it at MP.
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Posted 2005-February-26, 20:52

LHO has a Queen at most. Looks like Sp3 is the least likely to concede an unnecessary trick. When diamonds are cashed, you're going to be squeezed out of clubs anyway.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 00:41

Low C. wtp?
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Posted 2005-February-27, 05:49

spade lead - I need from partner D or Ai
heart lead - I need form partner A, K or 10
club lead - I need form partner K, D or 10
So I have to make a choice between hearts and clubs. I choose club because of the highest possible benefits.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 09:49

The_Hog, on Feb 27 2005, 06:41 AM, said:

Low C. wtp?

That sums up exactly how I feel about this one.

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Posted 2005-February-27, 12:47

♣ but the Q♥ may be correct. No sympathy for a ♠ lead.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 21:23

The_Hog, on Feb 27 2005, 01:41 AM, said:

Low C. wtp?

I would also pick low ♣ (specifically 5 since I lead 4th best).

wtp = ?

Also, would be interested in learning the prevalent argument/thinking behind 3rd/5th best leads instead of the "standard/what they teach you first" 4th best leads ...

follow up questions: then does partner have difficulty distinguishing between 3rd and 5th? When do you choose to lead 3rd and when 5th?


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Posted 2005-February-27, 22:33

MarkG_VA, on Feb 27 2005, 10:23 PM, said:

follow up questions: then does partner have difficulty distinguishing between 3rd and 5th? When do you choose to lead 3rd and when 5th?

3rd and 5th really means: 3rd from even, low from odd. It doesn't mean you lead either the 3rd or 5th best when you have a five card suit.
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Posted 2005-February-27, 23:01

Alternative: Attitude leads

versus NT, low=like suit
versus Suit; high low =even, low higher=odd
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Posted 2005-February-28, 03:18

I'm sorry, but I'd lead a small ♥, not ♣...
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Posted 2005-February-28, 04:12

Free, on Feb 28 2005, 07:18 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but I'd lead a small ♥, not ♣...

I bet your partner is sorry too Frederick!
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Posted 2005-February-28, 04:15

The_Hog, on Feb 28 2005, 11:12 AM, said:

Free, on Feb 28 2005, 07:18 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but I'd lead a small ♥, not ♣...

I bet your partner is sorry too Frederick!

We'll see :D I don't think my partners complain about my leads, but obviously sometimes I'm wrong...
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Posted 2005-February-28, 04:21

Q♥ :D
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Posted 2005-February-28, 06:06

I don't re-invent the game !

Small ♣ is obvious for me :rolleyes:
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Posted 2005-February-28, 11:52

MickyB, on Feb 26 2005, 09:32 PM, said:

Playing online at MPs, red vul. RHO deals and opens 2NT, which is passed out. What do you lead from...

KT83
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void
AJ954

Low ♣ all day. RHO shows 20-21 generally, you have 11 points, that leaves 8-9 points out there somewhere. If it's passed out, you can bet LHO has no more than a 4 count, which leaves 4-5 points. Sure, it could be the K♥, or even the A♥, but unlikely.

However, if your partner has even one honor in clubs, no matter if it's the King or Queen, you have a good chance of setting it now.
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Posted 2005-February-28, 12:20

I led a top ♥, thinking that with dummy broke it didn't even need partner to have an honour to not cost. I now agree with the club leaders, the chance to develop tricks in the suit is too great. As it was, partner had Kx in clubs and declarer had QTx.
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