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Posted 2015-February-07, 14:36



both sides are playing 2/1 its imps on bbo (all players are bbfers - I hope people don't mind me posting this_

I was very unsure as to what to bid here

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Posted 2015-February-07, 14:44

I know this hand!! :P

I do not mind at all hands being posted.
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Posted 2015-February-07, 15:08

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Posted 2015-February-07, 15:29

2♥ as a good spade raise seems right, and I'd pass 2♠ by partner
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Posted 2015-February-07, 16:02

Yeah it's only awkward if for some strange reason you aren't playing 2♥ as showing exactly this hand (or better).
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Posted 2015-February-07, 16:05

ok maybe this was a blind spot of mine
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Posted 2015-February-07, 16:07

I slightly prefer double probably followed by 2♠ hoping to show the power raise next round instead of shape.
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Posted 2015-February-07, 18:10

View Posteagles123, on 2015-February-07, 16:05, said:

ok maybe this was a blind spot of mine


fwiw a cuebid or double are often the best options when you have an awkward bidding problem. :)
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Posted 2015-February-07, 20:00

View Posteagles123, on 2015-February-07, 14:36, said:

both sides are playing 2/1 its imps on bbo (all players are bbfers - I hope people don't mind me posting this_
I was very unsure as to what to bid here
many thanks
Agree with others: 2♥ = 10, Double = 9, 2♠ = 8.
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Posted 2015-February-08, 05:07

View Postggwhiz, on 2015-February-07, 16:07, said:

I slightly prefer double probably followed by 2♠ hoping to show the power raise next round instead of shape.

My initial idea was 2♥, but maybe DBL followed by 2♠ is better?
What is the difference?: Both show invite+ values, but starting with DBL is more balanced and based on points?
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Posted 2015-February-08, 06:16

Your followup plan for double should be which card to lead against 1NT doubled, not a bid.
Even if partner takes it out to a minor, your subsequent 2♠ will look like a preference, not 3-card support. Only if opener takes out your double will this plan work.
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Posted 2015-February-08, 08:08

X

Lets see, how the auction develops, the chances, that we can make 4S
are low, I willing to give up on it.
Depending on partners style, I can still bid 3S, if I really want.

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Posted 2015-February-08, 11:37

I was his pd. I think dbl is a very bad idea, for the reasons Arend already stated. Imo 2♥ is correct.

Fwiw, I like 2♠ much more than dbl, if I was to choose between one of them. If you start dbl, and if someone takes it out for whatever reason and it comes back to you as 3♦ or 3♥ you have a problem.At this point you are on your own since pd has no clue about the fit by your dbl. Which may or may not turn out to be a very costly problem if you now decide wrong. But if you show your fit and your strength at 2 level while you can, you will not have this problem.
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Posted 2015-February-08, 11:52

The vul is wrong for X so 2H is normal. Note that most of the times its not a big deal to double with 3 spades, if partner pass 1nt its 1ntx and if he pull to a minors than hes miminum and you dont have game anyway. Its when its the opps that pull that you may have a problem.



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Posted 2015-February-08, 11:52

I really don't understand double. For me double 100% denies 3 spades.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 05:18

Either you are playing 2♥ = good raise with 3 spades, or you are not. If you are, it's obvious. If not, I prefer 2♠ to X, as it may be awkward or too late otherwise to show them later.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 10:31

View Postmgoetze, on 2015-February-08, 11:52, said:

I really don't understand double. For me double 100% denies 3 spades.

How about a low ODR 3=5=(3-2) or 3=4=3=3? FWiiW I also saw this as a wtp 2♥.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 11:56

View PostZelandakh, on 2015-February-09, 10:31, said:

How about a low ODR 3=5=(3-2) or 3=4=3=3? FWiiW I also saw this as a wtp 2♥.

So you are playing penalty doubles now? Or what would you hope to accomplish with double?

I mean, if you have 5 hearts, then your partner has approximately 1 heart. Meanwhile they rate to have a 4-card minor opposite your doubleton. Certainly you can decide that any heart honors are likely to be useless and downgrade to 2♠ if appropriate, but the fact remains, you have 3 card support, so if you bid at all then showing that is your first priority.

You can go ahead and play 2♥, 2♠, 2NT, 3♠ AND 3♥ all as spade raises, that should give you plenty of options to describe any possible spade raise you want. But support with support, please.
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Posted 2015-February-09, 12:05

1. Double is responsive.
2. Even if it's not it's a bad idea with a fit.
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