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Tricky 4th seat opener

Poll: Tricky 4th seat opener (31 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your opening bid

  1. 1S (29 votes [93.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 93.55%

  2. 4S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 3NT (Specific Ace Ask) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Other - Please explain (2 votes [6.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.45%

  5. 1H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2015-April-23, 18:06



Basic system is a gadget filled 5cM 2/1 GF. Oppo are playing Australian standard with a strong NT and are sound. Partner opens any 11 count if that effects your decisions.

Not sure what to do with this collection. Realistic starting points are 1M, 4M, or 3NT as a specific Ace ask. What's your decision, and likely view of continuations.
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Posted 2015-April-23, 18:37

I will start with 1s
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Posted 2015-April-23, 19:24

If you bid 1S it goes

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I probably should have put this as a supplementary poll question.
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Posted 2015-April-23, 19:35

4h now after they bid d

may miss slam
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Posted 2015-April-23, 20:23

I don't know which suit I want to play in, and neither do I know the level. So I try to find stuff out by opening 1S.
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Posted 2015-April-24, 01:30

2♣ or 3♦ if play OMEGA
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Posted 2015-April-24, 02:57

1♠ intending on 4♥ rebid. If I am really lucky, I am playing Strong 2s in 4th seat, and can therefore open 2♠, still planning on rebidding 4♥
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Posted 2015-April-24, 11:44

1S then hearts, I don't see why this is a problem. It is asking a lot for partner to have 2 of the 3 keycards we are missing once he passes over 2D, even though it's possible.
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Posted 2015-April-25, 09:35

I would lean toward the specific ace ask (if I knew the system and felt it was safe) but w/o that info I would end up bidding 1s.
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Posted 2015-April-25, 10:54

I'm not sure what a specific ace ask will get you when you don't even know what suit you want to play in yet. Never mind that you are also missing a very important king, or can I ask for that next over each response showing 1 or both of the important aces?
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Posted 2015-April-25, 22:50

View PostPhantomSac, on 2015-April-24, 11:44, said:

1S then hearts, I don't see why this is a problem. It is asking a lot for partner to have 2 of the 3 keycards we are missing once he passes over 2D, even though it's possible.


Yeah, this wasn't a good problem sorry. Pard has two keys (AC and KH) but will correct 4H to 4S as he has a 2245 shape and thinks it is all a big misfit. I'm not sure if he should continue, he can tell from the diamond raise and his length that this hand is void in diamonds so the AC is likely a great card. Basically the entire field played 4M with two slams (6H and 6SX), so not sure if you can bid normally.
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Posted 2015-April-26, 03:52

View PostCthulhu D, on 2015-April-23, 18:06, said:



Basic system is a gadget filled 5cM 2/1 GF. Oppo are playing Australian standard with a strong NT and are sound. Partner opens any 11 count if that effects your decisions.

Not sure what to do with this collection. Realistic starting points are 1M, 4M, or 3NT as a specific Ace ask. What's your decision, and likely view of continuations.


I would open 2♣ Then rebid the ♠(game forcing) then the ♥
Partner will know then (if he is a player worth his salt)that I have powerful major 2 suiter
and demanding at least a major suit game contract.
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Posted 2015-April-26, 15:47

Put me in the 1 ♠ followed by ♥ camp. You're looking at a legitimate 3 loser hand. Plan to bid to least 4 ♥ on it.
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Posted 2015-April-26, 20:35

View PostCthulhu D, on 2015-April-23, 18:06, said:


Basic system is a gadget filled 5cM 2/1 GF. Oppo are playing Australian standard with a strong NT and are sound. Partner opens any 11 count if that effects your decisions. Not sure what to do with this collection. Realistic starting points are 1M, 4M, or 3NT as a specific Ace ask. What's your decision, and likely view of continuations.
IMO 1♠ (Followed by at least 4♥) = 10. 3N (Specific A ask) = 9, 2♣ = 7.
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