[lycier]

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If I double over 2♠ directly,I am afraid that partner also bid up to 4♥,that will be very difficult to deal with hand.
Many thanks for any suggestion.

[Cyberyeti]

You don't need to find a suit fit, 6N is cold. I'd have been bidding over 3N with the E hand, how depends on my methods.

[KurtGodel]

Cyberyeti, on 2015-November-24, 10:11, said:

You don't need to find a suit fit, 6N is cold. I'd have been bidding over 3N with the E hand, how depends on my methods.

3NT here typically shows a long minor and a spade stop. I think normally with big balanced hands you double and then bid 3NT.

[Jinksy]

That does seem to leave W without a bid on this hand. You wouldn't be happy to hear 4♥ if you Xed.

[KurtGodel]

Jinksy, on 2015-November-24, 10:58, said:

That does seem to leave W without a bid on this hand. You wouldn't be happy to hear 4♥ if you Xed.

Depends what you play 4NT over 4♥ as.

[Cyberyeti]

KurtGodel, on 2015-November-24, 10:42, said:

3NT here typically shows a long minor and a spade stop. I think normally with big balanced hands you double and then bid 3NT.

It can be that, but even so, you have some safety above 3N, your hand is far from terrible if pd does have ♣AKQxxxx, and he is not under pressure, he has 2N available so should have plenty of playing strength. The key is to be able to play in 4N if necessary which we can as kickback would apply (we would also play a form of stayman/transfers over 3N).

[rmnka447]

I'm using the one card different approach and starting with a double, then bidding 3 NT over 3 ♥. If partner somehow decides to roll out 4 ♦, then I'll go wild.

(One card different approach = if one card say a minor card was a ♥, then you'd have no trouble doubling and bidding NT. So by doing so, you're only one card off from telling the truth.)

[rmnka447]

I'm using the one card different approach and starting with a double, then bidding 3 NT over 3 ♥. If partner somehow decides to roll out 4 ♦, then I'll go wild.

(One card different approach = if one card say a minor card was a ♥, then you'd have no trouble doubling and bidding NT. So by doing so, you're only one card off from telling the truth.)

[KurtGodel]

rmnka447, on 2015-November-24, 16:20, said:

I'm using the one card different approach and starting with a double, then bidding 3 NT over 3 ♥. If partner somehow decides to roll out 4 ♦, then I'll go wild.

(One card different approach = if one card say a minor card was a ♥, then you'd have no trouble doubling and bidding NT. So by doing so, you're only one card off from telling the truth.)

Over double, partner will bid 4♥.

[mgoetze]

I suggest 4♦ = transfer to hearts followed by 4NT = invitational with 5 hearts. Over which West can bid 5♦ or 5NT (pick-a-slam) or whatever.

[mikestar13]

Double is easy. With your strength and spades, partner is extremely unlikely to make a penalty pass--and the rebid over the dreaded 4♥ is 6NT. (over 4♣ or especially 4♦, I might be searching for a grand.)

[lycier]

mikestar13, on 2015-November-24, 19:53, said:

Double is easy. With your strength and spades, partner is extremely unlikely to make a penalty pass--and the rebid over the dreaded 4♥ is 6NT. (over 4♣ or especially 4♦, I might be searching for a grand.)

You said double is easy,really?
Assume that East might hold ♠J, ♥KQJxx, ♦Jxxxx, ♣Jx, after your double,your partner always bid up to 4♥,then you will bid up to 6N? How do you get 12 tricks?

[Cyberyeti]

mikestar13, on 2015-November-24, 19:53, said:

Double is easy. With your strength and spades, partner is extremely unlikely to make a penalty pass--and the rebid over the dreaded 4♥ is 6NT. (over 4♣ or especially 4♦, I might be searching for a grand.)

At least bid 5N pick a slam if you play this, so you play 6♦ on the hand lycier gives which is way better than 6N.

[helene_t]

The 3nt bid is ok imho. The hand is a bit strong but you have no good alternative.

As others have said, if you can double and follow up with a natural 4NT that is cool. Or maybe dbl followed by a 4♠ bid, asking for a second suit. But that requires agreement.

After 3NT, maybe East needs to do something. But W could have had a less suitable hand. Kx-A-Kxx-AKQxxxx is a quite typical hand. So E can't force to slam. A transfer to hearts following by a natural 5♦ bid would be ideal, W will raise to 6 or maybe make a grand slam try. Without any agreements I would try 4♠ and hope partner takes it as a two-suited hand with slam interest. But maybe this is too much adjective bridge

[lycier]

I learned the methods of both Mgoetze and Helene_t,I found three ways :

1- Aggressive way

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Now "bid and make",just like top players.

2- A conservative approach

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However I have to say 4nt is a disadvantage.If opener hold ♠AK2, ♥A, ♦Kxxxx, ♣Ajxx, after 4nt,opener will pass,never 5♦ for slam.


3- Lebensohl approach

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Is this a good idea?
If I have some mistakes,would you tell me? Thank you in advance.

[WesleyC]

I've got plenty of sympathy for 3NT, but I think I would prefer to start with a double on the West hand. Partner won't ALWAYS jump to 4H and if they do, I'll pull to 4NT and hope they can show a second suit!

I think a more typical hand for the actual auction is something like the hand helene posted: Kx-A-Kxx-AKQxxxx (or even a high card weaker) so I would be less optimistic about slam chances. Because we hold 5/5 in the reds and only ♣Jx this hand type is even more likely.

In situations where partner is forced into bidding 3NT under pressure, many established partnerships use 4C as an 'asking bid'. I'm not sure of the best responding structure but 4D might show any minimum with a long suit, 4H/4S/4NT various strength balanced hands and 5x a more powerful single suiter. If you had that available it might be useful!

[wank]

this is all rubbish. we're not worried about partner jumping to 4h. the worry is partner removing 3nt to 4h on a later round (2s-p-p-x-p-2nt-p-3nt-p-4h). double followed by 3nt should show tolerance for hearts. we don't have it.

we also don't want partner bidding lebensohl because if he has anything in spades it'll be wrong-sided (think jx or 10xx).

[gszes]

wank, on 2015-November-25, 11:51, said:

this is all rubbish. we're not worried about partner jumping to 4h. the worry is partner removing 3nt to 4h on a later round (2s-p-p-x-p-2nt-p-3nt-p-4h). double followed by 3nt should show tolerance for hearts. we don't have it.

we also don't want partner bidding lebensohl because if he has anything in spades it'll be wrong-sided (think jx or 10xx).

auction misread? i see 2s followed by the big hand.