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how much more does the robots need? huge double fit+void and doesn't act at all

#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2017-November-11, 14:39



I overcalled 2D and then bid 4C on my own. North sitting with 3 card diamond support, 7(!) card club support, a void in hearts and the ace of spades really can't do more than just pass 4H?
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Posted 2017-November-11, 15:37

What can you say? Sometimes it boggles the mind.

I wonder when that upgrade is coming.
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Posted 2017-November-11, 16:26

Basic or advanced bot? My old PC GIB shot out 6c on this auction.
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Posted 2017-November-11, 16:28

I don't understand the description of 4♣ - 18+HCP;18-total points. Still, 18 points plus North's 5 HCP is only 23 points :P

manudude03 - Were you surprised at the sluff-ruff at trick 2? :P GIB once made a negative double holding 8 clubs after I opened 1♣ on a 5 card suit. I barely blinked an eye when my opening lead gave the opponents a sluff-ruff at trick 1.
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Posted 2017-November-11, 17:49

View Postjohnu, on 2017-November-11, 16:28, said:

I don't understand the description of 4♣ - 18+HCP;18-total points. Still, 18 points plus North's 5 HCP is only 23 points :P

manudude03 - Were you surprised at the sluff-ruff at trick 2? :P GIB once made a negative double holding 8 clubs after I opened 1♣ on a 5 card suit. I barely blinked an eye when my opening lead gave the opponents a sluff-ruff at trick 1.


I was very surprised. Maybe I shouldn't lead a second club, but didn't think it could ever cost!
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Posted 2017-November-11, 17:50

View PostStephen Tu, on 2017-November-11, 16:26, said:

Basic or advanced bot? My old PC GIB shot out 6c on this auction.


I presume advanced bot, it was the free weekly tournament.
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Posted 2017-November-11, 19:49

View Postjohnu, on 2017-November-11, 16:28, said:

I don't understand the description of 4♣ - 18+HCP;18-total points. Still, 18 points plus North's 5 HCP is only 23 points :P

Points don't matter.
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Posted 2017-November-11, 20:56

View PostStephen Tu, on 2017-November-11, 16:26, said:

Basic or advanced bot? My old PC GIB shot out 6c on this auction.


what is an "old PC GIB"? the .exe file we used to use before?

thanks
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Posted 2017-November-11, 21:06

View Poststeve2005, on 2017-November-11, 19:49, said:

Points don't matter.


I just wonder because the addled abysmal software did not hear a double then 3D later (18+ points) it assumed partner sitting with many hearts for all it knows.
Again, probably, had a choice between 10 different bidding rules and the random number generator kicked in.it DOES NOT understand sacrifices. so it's stuck.

Quite understandable. Basic Bidding Engine is broken and impossible to fix.

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Posted 2017-November-11, 21:16

Gib started out as a retail program that ran standalone on Windows PCs, either via a GUI or by command prompt. The latter feature probably enticed BBO to purchase the program when they were looking for a bot to run after the original developer had halted working on the program around 2002 or so. They bought him out, took over maintenance/development, adapted it to work on their server farm.

It is still available, though I don't know why anyone would buy it now (I bought my copy around 98 when it was state of the art).
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Posted 2017-November-12, 00:24

Just totally dumb. Thank goodness I no longer drive. The idea of computer-controlled, driverless cars just scares me when I see GIB. This one just looks permanently stuck on the red light.
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Posted 2017-November-12, 00:46

View Poststeve2005, on 2017-November-11, 19:49, said:

Points don't matter.


If GIB was really evaluating hands, then I agree that points don't matter. The pass of 4♥ says they do matter.
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Posted 2017-November-12, 00:49

View PostThe_Badger, on 2017-November-12, 00:24, said:

Just totally dumb. Thank goodness I no longer drive. The idea of computer-controlled, driverless cars just scares me when I see GIB. This one just looks permanently stuck on the red light.


Or maybe just shifted in reverse with no rear view mirrors...
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Posted 2017-November-12, 10:33

View Postjohnu, on 2017-November-12, 00:46, said:

If GIB was really evaluating hands, then I agree that points don't matter. The pass of 4♥ says they do matter.

Give more points and it will still pass. Is strange that the original commercial program found a club bid. Have they mess up the current program?
take away A♠ a human would bid 5♣

on this hand it doesn't matter much the points 6♣ and diamond side fit says bid.
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Posted 2017-November-12, 12:10

View PostThe_Badger, on 2017-November-12, 00:24, said:

Just totally dumb. Thank goodness I no longer drive. The idea of computer-controlled, driverless cars just scares me when I see GIB. This one just looks permanently stuck on the red light.

This one got a genuine LOL out of me.

Man, oh man; what a scary world we live in.
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