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#1 User is offline   Mkgnao 

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Posted 2018-April-09, 05:06



MPs Arena Challenge.

Lead: K, East produces 9. West continues with A, East Q and then switches to 4-5-2-A.

How do you tackle this hand?
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Posted 2018-April-09, 05:20

Lead a low spade towards dummy hoping to force an entry. The problem is to guess whether to play the 8 or 6 if West plays low (8 gains if west holds the Q, 6 gains if west holds the 7 and not the Q). But if 3 is weak promising 9 or fewer points I think that east is favourite to hold the Q and will play the 6.

Once in dummy I discard twi diamonds on the king and queen of hearts.
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Posted 2018-April-09, 05:52

Range for 3 ?
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Posted 2018-April-09, 05:52

I'll play East for KQ of diamonds. Lead the jack of spades from hand. If they win, you have your entry to pitch 2 diamonds, and if not they have lost a spade trick unless they were 4-0. If they go for that option, draw the remaining trumps and exit the jack of diamonds.
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Posted 2018-April-09, 06:19

View Postmanudude03, on 2018-April-09, 05:52, said:

I'll play East for KQ of diamonds. Lead the jack of spades from hand. If they win, you have your entry to pitch 2 diamonds, and if not they have lost a spade trick unless they were 4-0. If they go for that option, draw the remaining trumps and exit the jack of diamonds.


If they duck, you have avoided a spade loser, but might still have two diamond losers if forced to play diamonds from your hand (if East has one more club as a safe exit).

[Edit: but East probably has a seven-card suit for the VUL three-level call].
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Posted 2018-April-09, 17:31

I'd play as Manu did.
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Posted 2018-April-10, 00:04

Play Jand hope they win Q!S and !S divides 7222. Use 8!S entry to pitch your losers.
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Posted 2018-April-10, 03:45

+1for Manu here too
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Posted 2018-April-10, 08:47

View PostMkgnao, on 2018-April-09, 05:06, said:



MPs Arena Challenge.

Lead: K, East produces 9. West continues with A, East Q and then switches to 4-5-2-A.

How do you tackle this hand?


The only chance is if the Qis a singleton so I'd cash a top spade at trick 4. and hope the queen drops. If it does then
dummy's 8 is an entry to cash the KQand pitch Souths two losing diamonds. If trumps split 2-2 or Qxx in either hand
the contract cannot be made. That blockage in hearts is both annoying and unfortunatePosted Image
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Posted 2018-April-10, 09:03

View PostPhilG007, on 2018-April-10, 08:47, said:

The only chance is if the Qis a singleton so I'd cash a top spade at trick 4. and hope the queen drops. If it does then
dummy's 8 is an entry to cash the KQand pitch Souths two losing diamonds. If trumps split 2-2 or Qxx in either hand
the contract cannot be made. That blockage in hearts is both annoying and unfortunatePosted Image


Absolute garbage as has been pointed out many times above.

If singleton Q is present, you will win (12% of the time) by making an overtrick, most of the rest of it you will lose. Although if you spot that after trumps are 2-2 you can play the endplay below, then you get away with it in that circumstance.

If spades are 2-2 or 3-1 with a non singleton Q, leading the J will require a duck to avoid making the 8 an entry. Now draw trumps for no loser and exit J. Assuming 3 was weak, it is unlikely W has a diamond honour to go with his AKJxxxx so E will be endplayed into playing a second diamond and allowing you to finesse to avoid the second diamond loser.

So basically spades from the top wins in the 3-1s where Q is stiff, playing the J wins most of the time when it isn't
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Posted 2018-April-10, 15:48

I would play low trump from both hands hoping Q takes giving me an entry to dummy.
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Posted 2018-April-11, 06:52

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-April-10, 09:03, said:

Absolute garbage as has been pointed out many times above.

If singleton Q is present, you will win (12% of the time) by making an overtrick, most of the rest of it you will lose. Although if you spot that after trumps are 2-2 you can play the endplay below, then you get away with it in that circumstance.

If spades are 2-2 or 3-1 with a non singleton Q, leading the J will require a duck to avoid making the 8 an entry. Now draw trumps for no loser and exit J. Assuming 3 was weak, it is unlikely W has a diamond honour to go with his AKJxxxx so E will be endplayed into playing a second diamond and allowing you to finesse to avoid the second diamond loser.

So basically spades from the top wins in the 3-1s where Q is stiff, playing the J wins most of the time when it isn't

Obvious once you see it. I agree 100%.
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Posted 2018-April-11, 13:03

I play the Jack of spades next. If either opponent wins the Queen - I win any return and lead to the 8 of spades which now is an entry to the hearts for diamond discards.

If the Jack wins and both have followed suit, I will be impressed by the opponents for their excellent defensive card reading. All I can do now is to draw trump without losing a spade and lead the Jack of diamonds. I will hope to get lucky with the diamond situation.

If spades are 4-0, there is nothing that can be done to make this.
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