[peterfrank]

Suppoe you use 2/1 system, how do you plan to bid this hand?

♠ 4
♥ AKQ4
♦ AK107
♣ AK86

If you bid 2C, PD bid 2D (waiting), what's next bid?
If you bid 1C, PD bid 1S. What's next bid?

[hrothgar]

peterfrank, on 2020-February-29, 19:34, said:

Suppoe you use 2/1 system, how do you plan to bid this hand?

♠ 4
♥ AKQ4
♦ AK107
♣ AK86

If you bid 2C, PD bid 2D (waiting), what's next bid?
If you bid 1C, PD bid 1S. What's next bid?

2!C, followed by a 2NT rebid

[apollo1201]

You’ll need to lie at some stage. 4441 especially that powerful are hard to deal.

So either you treat it like a balanced 23 like hrotgar suggests.

Or like a mm or m+H 2-suiter, reversing or jumping depending on what you and partner did. In all cases, the hand is too strong to splinter if partner bids 1H.

Some might even fake a H 5-carder and open 1H.

I’d go for 1C as it is unlikely it gets passed out and it is the most economical bid. Planning to reverse in H.

Switch the S and a minor K and I’d go like hrotgar.

[Tramticket]

There is no answer that will always work.

hrothgar, on 2020-February-29, 19:54, said:

2!C, followed by a 2NT rebid

This might work. If you open 2C I think that it is the best plan. But you can't blame partner for raising to 3NT holding QXX XX QXX QXXX X with 6C cold.

The other option after a 2C opener is to rebid 2H, but this does promise another heart. At least the hearts are good quality. A Moysian in hearts might be playable.

Opening 1C or 1D is likely to be better - as long as someone bids. I prefer 1D, since opps are less likely to pass this out. Having opened 1D, I would splinter over 1H or 2C (yes it suggests fewer values but it is descriptive), I would reverse over 1S and jump to 3C over 1NT.

[Cyberyeti]

Tramticket, on 2020-March-01, 03:45, said:

There is no answer that will always work.



This might work. If you open 2C I think that it is the best plan. But you can't blame partner for raising to 3NT holding QXX XX QXX QXXX X with 6C cold.

The other option after a 2C opener is to rebid 2H, but this does promise another heart. At least the hearts are good quality. A Moysian in hearts might be playable.

Opening 1C or 1D is likely to be better - as long as someone bids. I prefer 1D, since opps are less likely to pass this out. Having opened 1D, I would splinter over 1H or 2C (yes it suggests fewer values but it is descriptive), I would reverse over 1S and jump to 3C over 1NT.

I'd probably open 1♦ knowing I have the luxury of rebidding 3N over 1♥ to show a massive 1444 or 4441 (we don't play 3N as a long solid diamond suit like most people, and it means a lot of other sequences now guarantee 5♦), over 1♠ I will bid a GF 2N, then prob lie and show 5♦/4♥. I could open 2♣ but would have to rebid in notrumps, not sure if I'd show it as 23(2N rebid) or 24(2N via kokish), we actually don't play 2♦ waiting so the sequence is slightly different.

In 2/1 I suspect you have to go the 2♣ route and rebid NT.

[pescetom]

I would probably not bid 2♣ here because I dislike the idea of showing 4 card hearts (especially when playing Kokish) and dread the inevitable transfer to spades if I bid 2NT.
I also dislike 1♣ because playing 2/1 our normal and functional agreement is to open 1♦ with minors 4-4.
I would take my chances with 1♦, ready to rebid 2♥ over 1♠.

Tramticket, on 2020-March-01, 03:45, said:

I prefer 1D, since opps are less likely to pass this out.

It would be comforting to believe this, can you explain why?

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2020-March-01, 07:49, said:

It would be comforting to believe this, can you explain why?

People pass a "could be 2" club out more often in the hope of it being a really silly spot.

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2020-March-01, 09:18, said:

People pass a "could be 2" club out more often in the hope of it being a really silly spot.

Fair enough, but I would have thought that was offset by CHO stretching to respond for the same reason.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2020-March-01, 11:10, said:

Fair enough, but I would have thought that was offset by CHO stretching to respond for the same reason.

You can stretch but a 2443 2 count isn't bidding

[pescetom]

Cyberyeti, on 2020-March-01, 12:34, said:

You can stretch but a 2443 2 count isn't bidding

I'm against even stretching, but know I'm in a minority.
What amazes me is when the opponents cheerfully interfere 2♣ to show clubs, regardless of vulnerability.