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4-Card New Suit after Overcall?

#1 User is offline   msheald 

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Posted 2021-March-25, 07:02

Hello! I've been taught that responder should have 5 cards to bid a new suit after an overcall. For example, 5 spades with the bidding 1 club, 1 heart, 1 spade.

The robots seem to consistently bid a new suit with 4 cards, which causes me to overbid.

Is this a glitch or a planned bidding pattern? Thank you.

Mike
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Posted 2021-March-25, 18:55

You were taught wrong then, by almost any rational standard.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 19:36

View PostTylerE, on 2021-March-25, 18:55, said:

You were taught wrong then, by almost any rational standard.


Completely disagree. Expecting 5 for new suit advances after an overcall is an exceedingly common treatment.

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Posted 2021-March-25, 19:48

The robots are supposed to show five except in these two auctions:
1-(1)-1
1-(1)-1
These two exceptions apply because dbl would show 4-4 in the majors so with only one of them, you bid it even if it's a 4-card suit.

Occasionally the robots will deviate from the system with an awkward hand, but after the 1 overcall they will double with four spades and bid 1 with five.

This is North American standard, although some pairs have different agreements.
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Posted 2021-March-25, 21:23

What helene_t said :) TylerE and Stephen Tu appear to have misunderstood the question.

While robots can go off system at times when they're stuck, I've never seen a robot bid 1 over a 1 overall with 4 cards, given double is always available. So I'm guessing you have indeed mixed this up with 1 overcalls, which is a different situation as described above.
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Posted 2021-March-30, 09:08

Thank you, all. I appreciate your comments. Best regards.

Mike
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