Here's a nice hand (bid it MY way)
#21
Posted 2021-August-16, 10:07
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#23
Posted 2021-August-16, 11:08
jillybean, on 2021-August-16, 10:07, said:
At this point I am committing us to slam as partner has agreed he likes his hand for slam. My bid at this point is a simple 4S as later on I want to emphasize that spade honors are a premium. If partner has nothing left to say, I would expect 5C over 4S, at which point I would continue with 5D (and this is one reason I set the suit with 4C - there can be no confusion that this is an attempt to play 5D). 5D commits us to 6C yet partner needs to ask himself why didn't I just bid 6. The obvious reason is looking for a grand. Partner will now cooperate and bid 5H with concentrated hearts, 5S with concentrated spades, or 6C with neither.
I'm not castigating those who use keycard or other such bids - it's just that I learned the game and was playing at a fairly high level well before the popularity of keycard and so learned cue bidding. If you get the same results another way, that is fine with me.
PS: To answer Cyberyeti's question, 4N is a partnership agreement: it can be keycard or, what I prefer, more of a last train type bid, showing extras, or something else entirely.
(At one time in one partnership I actually played Culbertson 4N/5N convention where in this sequence 4N would show 2 aces and a king of a previously bid suit, and if followed by 5N would show 3 aces. It was actually quite playable. )
#24
Posted 2021-August-16, 11:32
Winstonm, on 2021-August-16, 11:08, said:
PS: To answer Cyberyeti's question, 4N is a partnership agreement: it can be keycard or, what I prefer, more of a last train type bid, showing extras, or something else entirely.
The point of the question was to OP, because if you're not sure what 4N is over 4♠ then don't bid 4♠, and if you're not 100% sure how partner would read 4N, don't do that either
For us 4N over 4♠ would be a spade cue (we use NT to sub for the most expensive cue)
#25
Posted 2021-August-16, 11:42
Winstonm, on 2021-August-16, 11:08, said:
I like your thinking here, Winstonm, however there may be 13 tricks available without partner having any extra value in ♥/♠. 1♠1♥6♦5♣ is c. 70% if partner has stiff ♦ and ♥A and ♣A
#26
Posted 2021-August-16, 11:44
LBengtsson, on 2021-August-16, 11:42, said:
Yep - never claimed perfection or even best. Just my way.
Kx, Axxx, x, AJxxxx could bid 5S over 4S also 🧐
#27
Posted 2021-August-16, 14:17
Here's the full hand. Winstonm, your partner may not have cooperated over 4♣?
We did bid to 6NT, on an auction that could have been better.
Cyberyeti, we have 4N available as a Spade cue, if we remember.
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#30
Posted 2021-August-16, 16:10
jillybean, on 2021-August-16, 14:17, said:
Here's the full hand. Winstonm, your partner may not have cooperated over 4♣?
We did bid to 6NT, on an auction that could have been better.
Cyberyeti, we have 4N available as a Spade cue, if we remember.
No, but I will still insist on 6 clubs over 5 clubs by bidding 5D This compels partner to cue 5H after which I can bid 5S or simply bid 7 clubs.
#31
Posted 2021-August-16, 16:12
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#33
Posted 2021-August-16, 16:32
Gilithin, on 2021-August-16, 16:16, said:
If north guards hearts and south spades I think the squeeze fails. In the 4 card ending north holds Jxx in hearts and Club J while south holds QI0x spades and Q hearts
#34
Posted 2021-August-16, 16:46
Winstonm, on 2021-August-16, 16:32, said:
Nope, cash 6 diamonds and 3 clubs finishing in the diamond hand and A♠ then fixes N. A heart lead breaks this squeeze up, but not sure if there's another.
#35
Posted 2021-August-16, 16:53
#36
Posted 2021-August-16, 21:07
Winstonm, on 2021-August-16, 16:32, said:
Rather than throwing spades, I think the toughest defence is for North to keep the black suits. This causes some entry and timing issues rather than just giving a textbook double squeeze position.
#38
Posted 2021-August-17, 00:36
A search tells me that lamford have posted at least two compound squeeze deals on BBF so far this year but I wonder how "common" (measured how?) compound squeezes really are.
Maybe we should have a "compound squeeze on BBO" competition?
#39
Posted 2021-August-17, 01:59
nullve, on 2021-August-17, 00:36, said:
A search tells me that lamford have posted at least two compound squeeze deals on BBF so far this year but I wonder how "common" (measured how?) compound squeezes really are.
Maybe we should have a "compound squeeze on BBO" competition?
Yup, for those that don't see it, the key to this is the squeeze on the 5th diamond not the 6th.
Cash one club and 5 diamonds, N has to keep 3 clubs so can't keep 3 hearts AND 2 spades. If he guards hearts, you just cash out the black winners and in the end game it's a classic double. It's more complicated if N keeps spades.
Now you hang on to the 6th diamond and club winners and cash ♥AK to take the idle cards out of his hand. Come back to the other top club and play the 6th diamond. He has to pitch a spade, you pitch a club then cross to the ♣A squeezing S as E has a heart and a spade, W has ♠Ax, N has a club and a spade and S has two spades and a heart and a discard to make.
#40
Posted 2021-August-17, 02:02
mw64ahw, on 2021-August-17, 00:22, said:
Yes, I agree it's a strange lead. 6/19 pairs bid and made 6NT, one pair made +1
2 3 1440 7.0 27.0 6 NT W 12 S9
7 13 1440 7.0 27.0 6 NT W 12 C2
8 15 1440 7.0 27.0 6 NT W 12 S6
13 6 1440 7.0 27.0 6 NT W 12 S6
14 8 1440 7.0 27.0 6 NT W 12 S6
16 12 1440 7.0 27.0 6 NT W 12 DT
2 18 1470 0.0 34.0 6 NT W 13 CJ
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson