I was East. My thinking was when partner showed a diamond shortage, my KJ were likely waste paper, and any slam aspirations went out of the window so I signed off in game. Partner bid Blackwood and signed off in 5♥ when I showed one key card. This was a bottom as the other tables had bid the heart slam. She claimed I should have cue bid 4♣ so she knows which ace I have. I claim she could have cued 4♠ if she was still interested in slam and was interested in a specific ace, rather than going through Blackwood. Was my thinking flawed here?
missed slam which was maybe my fault
#1
Posted 2022-April-14, 15:35
I was East. My thinking was when partner showed a diamond shortage, my KJ were likely waste paper, and any slam aspirations went out of the window so I signed off in game. Partner bid Blackwood and signed off in 5♥ when I showed one key card. This was a bottom as the other tables had bid the heart slam. She claimed I should have cue bid 4♣ so she knows which ace I have. I claim she could have cued 4♠ if she was still interested in slam and was interested in a specific ace, rather than going through Blackwood. Was my thinking flawed here?
#2
Posted 2022-April-14, 15:48
#3
Posted 2022-April-14, 15:52
#4
Posted 2022-April-14, 16:04
#5
Posted 2022-April-14, 17:00
Cyberyeti, on 2022-April-14, 16:04, said:
or just play 1430 rather than 3041.
#6
Posted 2022-April-14, 22:25
#7
Posted 2022-April-15, 00:04
I agree bidding 3♥ instead of 4♥ here shows interest in slam, but maybe it should be a 'relay' bid when partner has shown shortage in a minor with 3♣/3♦. What you want to know about is ♠ control: what partner wants to know about is your ♣A. Jacoby auctions are deciding about where you want to go after discovering the 9 card major fit. You have to know who is boss in auction also.
Does 3♣/3♦ show extra values after 2NT also? Or just shortage with either minimum or maximum hand? What have you agreed in your partnership? Can shortage show stiff ♦A? Here is similar hand with less which also fit good for slam.
Partnerships should also understand that when a 9 card major fit has been found, the opener with ♥AKxxx now has odds in his favour on trump suit without knowing position of ♥Q. Either 2-2♥ split or 3-1♥ with ♥Q drop is 52% I think.
You have to agree what you and your partner play here. Your partner bidding 4NT here with maybe 2♣ losers is poor bid but auction before is ? Have you discussed this between yourselves? Having a bid like Jacoby 2NT on your convention card is good but not good if you have not discussed follow up bidding. This applies to any conventional bid that you use, not just Jacoby.
#8
Posted 2022-April-15, 00:43
I use a modified Jacoby version which with opener's hand would start bidding 2nd round controls above 3♥ immediately showing both SI strength and a control. So in this case 3♠. 4♣ then shows a 2nd round control and a ♥ honour. A 3NT bid would deny a trump honour. Now knowing there are controls in all suits opener bids 5♥ to show an odd number of KCs with no additional Ks/void. Note in this case a rebid of 4NT as a proxy for ♠ would show a void rather than K♠. Responder can then bid the small slam.
#9
Posted 2022-April-15, 01:51
#10
Posted 2022-April-15, 02:01
In general, don't worry about fault it was, but try to find out what wholes in your agreements you need to fill.
#12
Posted 2022-April-15, 03:05
#13
Posted 2022-April-15, 05:27
Cyberyeti, on 2022-April-14, 16:04, said:
eagles123, on 2022-April-14, 17:00, said:
#14
Posted 2022-April-15, 09:33
I think opener should not show singleton ♦Q with this strength.
#15
Posted 2022-April-15, 11:19
In Italian style 2/1 bidding it would go something like:
1♥ - 2♣
3♣ - 3♥
3♠ - 4♣
4♦ - 5♣
6♥ - p
The 3♣ bid shows extras as well as real clubs and 3♥ sets trumps inviting indifferentiated control-bids. The 5♣ bid denies 2nd level spade control, shows an odd number of keycards and a second clubs control: now opener has to decide, but it's a fairly clear call given the probability that either spades or clubs are running (and partner almost certainly has the trumps queen having declined to bid 3NT non-serious).
#16
Posted 2022-April-16, 09:53