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Posted 2022-May-29, 13:47


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Posted 2022-May-29, 13:53

Too strong for 1, not the right shape (an extra heart) for 2NT +. So double it is. And partner will probably pass - disaster!
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Posted 2022-May-29, 14:06

View PostDavidKok, on 2022-May-29, 13:53, said:

Too strong for 1, not the right shape (an extra heart) for 2NT +. So double it is. And partner will probably pass - disaster!


I'd bid 2N anyway
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Posted 2022-May-29, 14:46

Ditto & rebid over to show the strength & extra length
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Posted 2022-May-29, 15:38

Playing the cue bids in The Overcall Structure 2 shows the touching suits and is unlimited, but time to decide on agreements.

https://www.google.c...6Cp7_5dqifVnCEu
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Posted 2022-May-29, 16:27

continuing unopposed NS, 2N 3C 3H 4H.
"definitely that's what I like to play when I'm playing standard - I want to be able to bid diamonds because bidding good suits is important in bridge" - Meckstroth's opinion on weak 2 diamond
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Posted 2022-May-29, 22:52

I agree with 2N, but I think 4H over partner's 3C bid.
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Posted 2022-May-30, 01:53

Better hope partner doesn't jump to 5, or the opponents don't jump to 4/5. 2NT has serious downsides.
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Posted 2022-May-30, 02:12

View PostDavidKok, on 2022-May-30, 01:53, said:

Better hope partner doesn't jump to 5, or the opponents don't jump to 4/5. 2NT has serious downsides.


Opponents can do that over a double and you are even worse off as you have failed to show either of your suits, and as you say, it is far from ideal if partner converts the double to penalties.

If you are not going to use a two suited convention with a hand like that just because it isn't perfect, you might as well take it off your convention card.
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Posted 2022-May-30, 02:29

View PostDavidKok, on 2022-May-30, 01:53, said:

Better hope partner doesn't jump to 5, or the opponents don't jump to 4/5. 2NT has serious downsides.


If partner jumps to 5 I'll bid 6 and hope I don't make 7.

If you double, how are you going to enjoy the auction 1-X-4/5-4/5
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Posted 2022-May-30, 07:08

View PostDavidKok, on 2022-May-29, 13:53, said:

Too strong for 1, not the right shape (an extra heart) for 2NT +. So double it is. And partner will probably pass - disaster!

If partner will pass a takeout double with only five trumps, it is difficult to conduct *any* defensive auction.
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Posted 2022-May-30, 08:37

View Postbluenikki, on 2022-May-30, 07:08, said:

If partner will pass a takeout double with only five trumps, it is difficult to conduct *any* defensive auction.


So where do you want to play opposite partner's 4414 ? Either 1 is going off or you are most of the time. If you bid 1 partner will be 3415
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Posted 2022-May-30, 09:21

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-30, 02:29, said:

If partner jumps to 5 I'll bid 6 and hope I don't make 7.

If you double, how are you going to enjoy the auction 1-X-4/5-4/5
5 is weak, not strong. Something like xx, xx, xxx, Qxxxxx. But you've convinced me that 2NT is better, despite the extra heart.
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Posted 2022-May-30, 09:25

View PostDavidKok, on 2022-May-30, 09:21, said:

5 is weak, not strong. Something like xx, xx, xxx, Qxxxxx. But you've convinced me that 2NT is better, despite the extra heart.


Partner doesn't have to have a second heart even though the finesse is likely to be on, and I wouldn't rule Axx, x, xxx, Qxxxxx out, 2N is much more likely to be weak than strong (and for us never in between), so just bid 5 and let them guess.
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Posted 2022-May-30, 09:57

View PostCyberyeti, on 2022-May-30, 08:37, said:

So where do you want to play opposite partner's 4414 ? Either 1 is going off or you are most of the time. If you bid 1 partner will be 3415

It seems to me this is Defensive Bidding 101. You bid 1 in tempo, and partner apologizes if it works out badly.

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Posted 2022-May-31, 02:01

I'd bid 2NT then 3 if partner advances with 3. That must show a big 6-5.
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