Acol Daylong - Feedback thread Feedback and comments on argine and the acol system it plays
#201
Posted 2023-September-25, 20:24
#203
Posted 2023-December-04, 04:09
+2300, too bad it wasn't Total Points.
#204
Posted 2023-December-04, 11:38
pilowsky, on 2023-September-29, 19:17, said:
Best system ever.
A lead-directing double on ♦Jxxx (and your partner is on lead themselves) is misguided, but other than that I think you and your partner bid well.
Your 2NT opening is a bit eccentric but it is a sound principle to open 1NT whenever possible (and sometimes when impossible) against robots, and since this hand is too strong for a 12-14 NT, maybe 2NT is reasonable.
#205
Posted 2023-December-14, 21:16
#206
Posted 2023-December-15, 08:03
And in a better system where 3♠ is forcing unlimited, 4♠ would make no sense (unless conventionalised in some way).
Several of the early posts in this thread point out weird 5M bids: evidently it was judged not important enough to fix, or perhaps too difficult.
#207
Posted 2024-January-07, 17:43
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#208
Posted 2024-January-07, 18:43
#209
Posted 2024-January-07, 18:51
#210
Posted 2024-January-08, 10:09
pescetom, on 2023-December-15, 08:03, said:
3♠ must be forcing as 2♠ is a GF. This is quite universal in British Acol.
#211
Posted 2024-January-08, 15:41
helene_t, on 2024-January-08, 10:09, said:
Forcing in the sense that it cannot be passed because there was already a GF (I've never encountered a useful term to express this, I am repelled by "Forcing" when the bid did not create the force) yes, but showing a minimum of strength and less than 4♠ would.
Fast arrival seems incompatible with the Acol philosophy to me.
Even the relatively modern "Guide to Better Acol Bridge" (1988) says that after Responder's jump shift "If opener then confirms a minimum opening be content with game", without needing to mention which level of bid showed the minimum.
And in this case the successive 5♠ makes no sense.
#212
Posted 2024-January-08, 21:01
#213
Posted 2024-January-12, 15:56
helene_t, on 2024-January-08, 21:01, said:
Fast arrival is IMO a good idea in the limited context of a game force, but Fred (father of BBO) was violently opposed to it even then and I imagine Terence (father of Acol) will be turning in his grave to read that it is taught as Acol.
Call this stuff "Modern English/Dutch" or whatever, Acol had a logic and this is the opposite.
#214
Posted 2024-January-14, 13:07
pescetom, on 2024-January-12, 15:56, said:
Why is that? Limit bids and low forcing character of various bids is what i would call acol logic, but once we are already in a gf i am not sure if there's any particular logic that applies. If anything i would say that the Acol style is to jump to game with hands that have barely enough for game, but mess around with other suits if you have slam interest.
#215
Posted 2024-February-05, 06:27
#216
Posted 2024-February-05, 06:57
Douglas43, on 2024-February-05, 06:27, said:
Fast arrival as I understand it is a jump to the level you are forced when holding the minimum for your bidding so far.
I'm not sure at what point in Acol evolution the young Noah was playing, but Terence Reese in 1973 says that Acol strong two openings are forcing one round and the weak hand response is 2NT, even with support: only a positive hand will respond differently, with a single raise promising trump support and an outside ace and a raise to four indicating support with no Ace but at least 11 points.
So the (conventional) single raise is more inviting than the jump (assuming opener does not hold all aces), but the jump to game can hardly be called fast arrival as it is a voluntary show of strength (responder was only forced to 2NT).
#217
Posted 2024-February-07, 08:38
pescetom, on 2024-February-05, 06:57, said:
see, 3 is stronger than 4
#218
Posted 2024-February-07, 16:24
helene_t, on 2024-February-07, 08:38, said:
Sure
But it lacks the "Fast Arrival" essence of being forced to the higher level in the first place.
In any case, this is basically a (wise) tweak in a very specific conventional situation.
I don't see it as relevant to developments over a 1 in a suit opening.
#219
Posted 2024-March-14, 23:25
What kind of hand does North have?
#220
Posted 2024-March-15, 00:15
pilowsky, on 2024-March-14, 23:25, said:
What kind of hand does North have?
What was the lead?
Best system ever.