[jillybean]

#5
MP

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[mw64ahw]

9.5 playing tricks, so I guess most would go for 2♣ followed by 2♦-3♥ showing x46x.

I put most strong ♦ hands through a Multi 2♦ to gain an extra bid i.e. 2♦-2♥-3♣ is single suited ♦. In this case 2♦-2♥-3♥ represents this x46x hand.

Opening 1♦ is also a possibility and playing my Esoteric Unbalanced ♦ gives better definition assuming I don't get passed out. So
1♦-1♥ either/both Majors weak
1♠ 3/4 unlimited - 1N/2♠
3♥ shows exactly this shape and strength.

[smerriman]

I don't really understand any of mw64ahw's system, though that's almost always the case - for me 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♥ is a self sufficient suit inviting a control bid.

So my choices in a simple standard system are 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♦ or 1♦ intending to reverse into hearts. I might well get passed out in 1♦ with 3NT making, but I'll think I'll go low anyway and hope I get the chance to show my shape.

[mw64ahw]

 smerriman, on 2024-September-29, 23:45, said:

I don't really understand any of mw64ahw's system, though that's almost always the case - for me 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♥ is a self sufficient suit inviting a control bid.

So my choices in a simple standard system are 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♦ or 1♦ intending to reverse into hearts. I might well get passed out in 1♦ with 3NT making, but I'll think I'll go low anyway and hope I get the chance to show my shape.

Sorry I should add that the 2♣ option above is what I've observed for those using a Kokish/Birthright approach.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I would start with 1D.

If you start with 2C, you are bidding diamonds via 3D the first time.
You are missing 20HCP, assume they are equally distributed, p will have 6+, i.e.
he will respond, ..., and you dont need to invent a forcing bid 2H is forcing for
one round, and if p passes, they may safe you anyway.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

 mw64ahw, on 2024-September-30, 00:36, said:

Sorry I should add that the 2♣ option above is what I've observed for those using a Kokish/Birthright approach.

We play Kokish, but use 3♥ as solid hearts, but yes some people DO use it as 6+♦ =4♥.

I would open 1♦, I consider it 8.5 tricks not 9.5

[mw64ahw]

 Cyberyeti, on 2024-September-30, 03:47, said:

We play Kokish, but use 3♥ as solid hearts, but yes some people DO use it as 6+♦ =4♥.

I would open 1♦, I consider it 8.5 tricks not 9.5

I count the 4th ♥ as an extra playing trick

[jillybean]

If you start with 1♦ (1♠) P (2or3♠)

Over 2♣ with or without LHO entering the auction, you get a negative response.

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[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

the value of your hand went down, the Ace of spades will be behind the king.
You can bid 3D, or if you want to get hearts into play, you can either bid 3H,
the hand is probably strong enough, to handle playing in 4D, or you could use
2NT as 2-places to play, but with clubs, you would bid have bid 3C,
so it showes hearts. (*)

Keep in mind, you are red, and p did not promise anything, so bidding on your own,
forcing your side to play on the 3 level is showing a power house.

It would have been harder, if they had bid 3S, now you wont be able to introduce
hearts, 3NT is to play, and 4D is quite high.
The main problem with 4D is, that 2 down is already a lot, playing MP, and it is not
even game.

(*) Switch the minors, and 2NT would show either diamonds or hears, but longer
clubs.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mycroft]

Am I allowed to double and pull clubs back to diamonds? Will partner read me for this hand or something totally different?

[jillybean]

Full hand

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[mw64ahw]

So you make 6 on A♠ lead assuming you start with 2♣

[Cyberyeti]

 mw64ahw, on 2024-October-01, 00:59, said:

So you make 6 on A♠ lead assuming you start with 2♣

You make 6♥ on any lead

[pescetom]

Late to the thread.

I play 2C 2D; 3H as imposition of trumps, despite Birthright, like cyberyeti.

We don't put minor>major two suiters through 2C, they take their chances in 1m or NT. A clear 1D here.

[nullve]

 jillybean, on 2024-September-30, 09:35, said:

If you start with 1♦ (1♠) P (2or3♠)

Over 2♣ with or without LHO entering the auction, you get a negative response.

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 jillybean, on 2024-September-30, 21:56, said:

Full hand

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2♠ on two small?

[jillybean]

Not guilty! I have not played these hands.

This latest bunch of hands are from a few new players who are bringing bidding problems to me. This was the actual auction.
While some are very straight forward, others not so much. I always like to run a gallup poll by BBF'ers.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

The pair of hands is hard, because finding the 44 in heart is not simple. (*)

If they start out, I would suggest, that they dont look to hard on perfect
fitting hands.

(*) Even if you happen to play a gadget after a 2C opener, that allowes you to
show the 64 hand, finding the slam is ..., North wont show a lot of live, and
if South moves on over a 4H raise by North, he deserves finding North with the
Black suit reversed, which would mean 5H will be down most of the time in this
case.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Cyberyeti]

P_Marlowe, on 2024-October-01, 23:58, said:

Hi,

The pair of hands is hard, because finding the 44 in heart is not simple. (*)

If they start out, I would suggest, that they dont look to hard on perfect
fitting hands.

(*) Even if you happen to play a gadget after a 2C opener, that allowes you to
show the 64 hand, finding the slam is ..., North wont show a lot of live, and
if South moves on over a 4H raise by North, he deserves finding North with the
Black suit reversed, which would mean 5H will be down most of the time in this
case.

With kind regards
Marlowe

5♥ (S) just needs a 3-2 trump break with the blacks reversed.

[P_Marlowe]

Cyberyeti, on 2024-October-02, 02:32, said:

5♥ (S) just needs a 3-2 trump break with the blacks reversed.

I am not good at constructing hands, which showes, but i do think it is easy to construct
hand, that make a 5H contract subpar, assuming you dont get a pos. sign from p aside from
4 card heart support. I could have modified the Queen of trumps, make it the Jack.

And I am not even sure, that the req. 3-2 trump break is enough to give you 5 level safety to
justify going beyond 4H.

[Cyberyeti]

P_Marlowe, on 2024-October-02, 02:57, said:

I am not good at constructing hands, which showes, but i do think it is easy to construct
hand, that make a 5H contract subpar, assuming you dont get a pos. sign from p aside from
4 card heart support. I could have modified the Queen of trumps, make it the Jack.

And I am not even sure, that the req. 3-2 trump break is enough to give you 5 level safety to
justify going beyond 4H.

This may well be true. I wouldn't open 2♣ on this hand as I would expect 5 to be good with 2 queens opposite, make the spades KQx or Kx and a stiff ace of clubs to make me open 2♣.

As it is if RHO finds his raise on a doubleton over 1♦, we are not bidding a slam.