[jillybean]

I was NOT sitting north
Your partner appears to be the Master Masterminder

[jillybean]

I was NOT sitting north
Your partner appears to be the Master Masterminder

[bluenikki]

paulg, on 2025-December-04, 02:10, said:

Double shows a strong no trump without a decent stop, seems simple enough.

Indeed.

[jillybean]

I was NOT sitting north
Your partner appears to be the Master Masterminder

[AL78]

Partner said after that he wished we(I) had agreed to play weak jump shifts in response to an opening bid, then he would have responded 3♦ and shut East out of the auction. I am not a fan of weak jump shifts myself, feels like they are as likely to pre-empt your side as the opponents, and I think partner's hand is too strong for a weak jump shift anyway.

[Cyberyeti]

AL78, on 2025-December-04, 13:09, said:

We took it one off although I think we can get -200, which was bad because half the field are in diamonds our way making 9, 10 or 11 tricks.

You need to play clubs, AK and a third ruffed by partner, a lead to one of your aces and a fourth club ruffed by partner.

Obvious 1♦ response.

[AL78]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-December-05, 04:19, said:

You need to play clubs, AK and a third ruffed by partner, a lead to one of your aces and a fourth club ruffed by partner.

Obvious 1♦ response.

That is exactly how the defence started. ♣AK, club ruff, heart to my ace, another club ruff, and the ♦A. That was our six tricks, after which declarer has the rest from spades and hearts. I don't know where a seventh defensive trick comes from, but Deep Finesse says EW cannot make 1♠.

[DavidKok]

AL78, on 2025-December-05, 02:47, said:

Partner said after that he wished we(I) had agreed to play weak jump shifts in response to an opening bid, then he would have responded 3♦ and shut East out of the auction. I am not a fan of weak jump shifts myself, feels like they are as likely to pre-empt your side as the opponents, and I think partner's hand is too strong for a weak jump shift anyway.

Sorry but claiming that a 3♦ weak jump shift is related to this 1NT bid is flawed on many levels.

• There's a 2♦ between 1♦ and 3♦. If you want to get shapely weak hands out of the way, why go to the 3-level immediately?
  
• If this is the true reasoning at the table, surely the obvious downgrade in the absence of a weak jump shift is 1♦, not 1NT.
  
• There are lots of ways to play weak jump shifts. Some people want a range of approximately 0-5. Personally I prefer the 4-8 range. Other people play it differently still. You(r partner) can't just throw a name of a convention out there and claim that it solves a problem.

To me it sounds like, at best, your partner normally plays a highly descriptive 3♦ response to 1♣ that near-perfectly describes this hand, and on realising the unavailability of that bid just panicked, stopped thinking and grabbed a bid from the box nearly at will. Or, at worst (and in my opinion more realistic), partner knows he screwed up the board, but instead of taking the blame he invented a just-so story to save face and diffuse the situation.
If you go along with it both of you will get worse at the game, but maybe the partnership gets to feel better.

[Cyberyeti]

AL78, on 2025-December-05, 06:02, said:

That is exactly how the defence started. ♣AK, club ruff, heart to my ace, another club ruff, and the ♦A. That was our six tricks, after which declarer has the rest from spades and hearts. I don't know where a seventh defensive trick comes from, but Deep Finesse says EW cannot make 1♠.

OK, you are never ever going to find the defence on your auction.

It requires an underlead at trick 2 (in clubs or diamonds).

Example:

A♣682
3♦JK4
Q♣397

N now plays a diamond and the play divides:

if E ruffs and plays a heart, you can win, play 2 more clubs, with partner discarding a heart, either overruffing to play a diamond, or discarding his second heart so the trump finesse can't be taken

If E discards a club, you win, cash a club partner discarding a heart, and play the fourth club, if declarer ruffs, you overruff promoting a trump to go with A♥, if he discards, partner discards another heart also ensuring 7 tricks

[AL78]

DavidKok, on 2025-December-05, 06:10, said:

If you go along with it both of you will get worse at the game, but maybe the partnership gets to feel better.

Given the low standard of the club I play at and given I have no regular partner, getting worse at the game is inevitable so I have to try and focus on the enjoyment of the social interaction and block out the occasional seemingly randomised results.