Partner and I had a misunderstanding in an online game. 1c-p-1h-2s(weak)-3s. 3s by opener is, of course, forcing. Opener considered it a splinter, while responder thought it was Western cue, asking for a spade stopper. Responder bid 3nt (4 spades with JS). Opener then bid 4H, which was passed.
It made 4H, although double dummy was 5H. No harm, but we wonder whether the 3s bid should be better played as splinter or Western cue. Given the actual bidding, should responder reconsider after the 4H bid?
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Splinter or asking stopper
#2
Posted Today, 12:41
I think neither suggested use is best. Instead I would play this as a game forcing heart raise.
The strong hand needing a spade stopper can double and potentially bid 3♠ the next round.
The splinter hand is lost in my approach, but I gain when I have a non-splinter good raise that I want to show. This happens more often, so I think it's a better use on average.
The strong hand needing a spade stopper can double and potentially bid 3♠ the next round.
The splinter hand is lost in my approach, but I gain when I have a non-splinter good raise that I want to show. This happens more often, so I think it's a better use on average.
#3
Posted Today, 13:20
I agree with David that it’s best played as something other than a splinter or a western cue. I don’t agree that the best usage is that it’s absolutely always a heart raise, but that is (for me) the most common case.
Say you hold xx Kx AQx AKQJxx. Ok…maybe you’d open 2N but let’s not nitpick…if you’d open 2N, then change it to xx x AKQ AKJxxxx
1C (P) 1H (2S)
No number of clubs is good. 3C isn’t remotely this hand, and 4C is a nothing bid…it takes you past 3N which will often be the best/only game and who knows whether it’s forcing…or whether you’d like it to be?
So I think 3S is simply a game force, unable to bid 3N but either seeking a stopper or showing a gf heart raise, wrong for a 4H bid.
Don’t worry too much about this. If responder has a spade stopper his correct bid will almost always be 3N…the only exception is when he has a good hand such that he doesn’t want opener to pass 3N.
If responder lacks a spade stopper (and his RHO hasn’t bid or doubled 3S…in the latter case pass is available) then responder will usually bid an ambiguous 4C…since opener hasn’t promised hearts, responder needs a long heart suit to bid 4H. If opener has the heart raise, he’ll pull 3N. Also, he’ll bid 4H over 4C.
Now, when opener has the big hand with neither a stopper nor hearts….so always long clubs….the partnership may be over its head since the auction has forced to game. But that’s just the cost of doing business and why people preempt.
Say you hold xx Kx AQx AKQJxx. Ok…maybe you’d open 2N but let’s not nitpick…if you’d open 2N, then change it to xx x AKQ AKJxxxx
1C (P) 1H (2S)
No number of clubs is good. 3C isn’t remotely this hand, and 4C is a nothing bid…it takes you past 3N which will often be the best/only game and who knows whether it’s forcing…or whether you’d like it to be?
So I think 3S is simply a game force, unable to bid 3N but either seeking a stopper or showing a gf heart raise, wrong for a 4H bid.
Don’t worry too much about this. If responder has a spade stopper his correct bid will almost always be 3N…the only exception is when he has a good hand such that he doesn’t want opener to pass 3N.
If responder lacks a spade stopper (and his RHO hasn’t bid or doubled 3S…in the latter case pass is available) then responder will usually bid an ambiguous 4C…since opener hasn’t promised hearts, responder needs a long heart suit to bid 4H. If opener has the heart raise, he’ll pull 3N. Also, he’ll bid 4H over 4C.
Now, when opener has the big hand with neither a stopper nor hearts….so always long clubs….the partnership may be over its head since the auction has forced to game. But that’s just the cost of doing business and why people preempt.
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