reopen?
#1
Posted 2007-November-10, 06:39
KQxx
KQJxx
xx
xx
And open 1♥ favorable imp's 1st seat.
1♥-2♣-p-p
Do you reopen?
George Carlin
#2
Posted 2007-November-10, 07:13
(As an aside, I suspect that I wouldn't open this hand - but it's close; switch the majors and I'd be tempted.)
#4
Posted 2007-November-10, 09:45
If your partner is wont to make a negative double with moderate hands with club length as well as spade length, then certainly pass is much more appealing. However, my style is usually to pass those hands (who knows, maybe at some point I'll be convinced that this is bad bridge)
#6
Posted 2007-November-10, 10:40
#7
Posted 2007-November-10, 12:35
I'd feel fine about opening. But I think I have bid my hand to the full.
#8
Posted 2007-November-10, 16:09
#9
Posted 2007-November-10, 18:16
When neither is the case, this could be an ugly hand for us since pard is weak and we don't have a fit.
#10
Posted 2007-November-10, 18:19
gwnn, on Nov 10 2007, 07:39 AM, said:
KQxx
KQJxx
xx
xx
And open 1♥ favorable imp's 1st seat.
1♥-2♣-p-p
Do you reopen?
Yes.
I assume partner knows we open on this.
If I only promise one quick trick I got more than a dead minimum.
If I am not going to reopen then I should not open in the first place.
#11
Posted 2007-November-12, 02:00
2. Even without equal level conversion, I have no problem with any possible rebid from pd, as I can take 2 Diamond to 2 Heart and show this hand?
I cannot pass with both majors and no rebid problem, so I double, even if the shape in the minors and the quiet pd suggest a double.
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#12
Posted 2007-November-12, 02:36
According to partnership agreement
I have to.
But I would not have opened the hand,
since this would violate my partnership
agreements.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#13
Posted 2007-November-12, 05:55
mike777, on Nov 11 2007, 01:19 AM, said:
I agree with the principle that once you open the bidding in 1st or 2nd seat, you are committed to reopening with shortage in the overcalled seat.
#15 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2007-November-12, 10:38
FrancesHinden, on Nov 12 2007, 06:55 AM, said:
mike777, on Nov 11 2007, 01:19 AM, said:
I agree with the principle that once you open the bidding in 1st or 2nd seat, you are committed to reopening with shortage in the overcalled seat.
Do you consider 2 to be shortage? Surely Hx is different from xx as well, with Kx the odds of partner having a trap is very low, and when you have 2 clubs the odds that they can run successfully dramatically goes up. I def agree with auto reopening with a singleton/void but I think a doubleton is a lot different.
#16
Posted 2007-November-14, 18:35
gwnn, on Nov 10 2007, 07:39 AM, said:
And open 1♥ favorable imp's 1st seat.
1♥ (2♣) _P (_P)
??
Do you reopen?
IMO X = 10, P = 8
The 75% who pass include lots of big guns but I was relieved to find Frances Hinden among the protectors.
IMO your action depends on
- Partner's habits. Can partner pass 2♣ with opening values or better?
Mine can and do - RHO's guile. Is RHO capable of a sly pass with a mountain?
Oh well, it seems I've taken that riskAnother -800?
#17
Posted 2007-November-14, 18:48
George Carlin
#18
Posted 2007-November-14, 19:37
The full deal was:
We played this deal against Iceland. I was sitting out, and when I saw the auction proceed 1♥-2♣-pass-pass, I thought South would do well to reopen. Then I remembered a deal from the world championships in Yokohama, 1991, where an Iceman sitting South had a sub-minimum opening bid with two small clubs. He opened, and when 3C came back to him he passed and collected 300 in lieu of a vulnerable game. I have not the least doubt that the Icelanders vowed that this would never happen to them again.
And sealed the Law by vote,
It little matters what they thought -
We hang for what they wrote.
#19
Posted 2007-November-14, 21:05
Don't you consider it is a possibily that the icelanders concluded that pass was actually the right call and that they would pass again next time? Don't we all make correct decisions from time to time that lead to horrible results?
- hrothgar
#20
Posted 2007-November-14, 21:44
Having said that, your hand is so bad that there is almost no chance that partner does not have a penalty double - what else can he have, given that the opponents have advanced only as far as 2♣? Unless, of course, partner belongs to that group of benighted souls who cannot make a negative double without four spades, in which case there is little hope for him or for you.
When the Iceman passed in Yokohama, I am sure he thought it was the correct call, and that his partner ought to have bid 3NT over 3♣ and not hoped for a reopening double. The position has, I have no doubt, been discussed among Iceland's top players (at least two of whom were among our opponents in this match) and I am sure they have concluded, as Frances has and as Gromoeller had in the match against Italy, that if you're going to open this, you're committed to reopening it or seeing it through in some other way.
And sealed the Law by vote,
It little matters what they thought -
We hang for what they wrote.