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#21 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2008-February-13, 04:00

Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

han, on Feb 12 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

Walddk, on Feb 12 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

1. 1♠
2. 3♣*

*3NT is not an option unless partner forgot to open with AAA or some AA-K combination.

Roland

or a 10xx A A combination.

or a xxxx A A combo.

Note also that pard will PULL 3NT without 2 aces, so it's a fairly safe bid, the only risk being going 1 down in 4♣.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 05:49

Walddk, on Feb 12 2008, 05:41 PM, said:

1. 1♠
2. 3♣*

*3NT is not an option unless partner forgot to open with AAA or some AA-K combination.

Roland

Agree
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Posted 2008-February-13, 10:21

whereagles, on Feb 13 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

han, on Feb 12 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

Walddk, on Feb 12 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

1. 1♠
2. 3♣*

*3NT is not an option unless partner forgot to open with AAA or some AA-K combination.

Roland

or a 10xx A A combination.

or a xxxx A A combo.

Note also that pard will PULL 3NT without 2 aces, so it's a fairly safe bid, the only risk being going 1 down in 4♣.

Some people play 3N in 3/4 seat cannot be pulled. That is how I play.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 10:24

Jlall, on Feb 13 2008, 04:21 PM, said:

Some people play 3N in 3/4 seat cannot be pulled. That is how I play.

Fair enuff.. but not all play it like that, so what I said may still be a valid inference.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 10:34

Jlall, on Feb 13 2008, 08:21 AM, said:

whereagles, on Feb 13 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

han, on Feb 12 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

Walddk, on Feb 12 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

1. 1♠
2. 3♣*

*3NT is not an option unless partner forgot to open with AAA or some AA-K combination.

Roland

or a 10xx A A combination.

or a xxxx A A combo.

Note also that pard will PULL 3NT without 2 aces, so it's a fairly safe bid, the only risk being going 1 down in 4♣.

Some people play 3N in 3/4 seat cannot be pulled. That is how I play.

When I play Gambling 3N, this is how I play it as well. The restriction on no A/K is only in 1/2.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 13:56

pclayton, on Feb 13 2008, 05:34 PM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 13 2008, 08:21 AM, said:

whereagles, on Feb 13 2008, 05:00 AM, said:

Jlall, on Feb 12 2008, 09:39 PM, said:

han, on Feb 12 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

Walddk, on Feb 12 2008, 11:41 AM, said:

1. 1♠
2. 3♣*

*3NT is not an option unless partner forgot to open with AAA or some AA-K combination.

Roland

or a 10xx A A combination.

or a xxxx A A combo.

Note also that pard will PULL 3NT without 2 aces, so it's a fairly safe bid, the only risk being going 1 down in 4♣.

Some people play 3N in 3/4 seat cannot be pulled. That is how I play.

When I play Gambling 3N, this is how I play it as well. The restriction on no A/K is only in 1/2.

Me too. I'd not be happy seeing partner pull when I've got 9 tricks on my own.
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Posted 2008-February-13, 16:38

Preempt:

W00t? Why don't you open 2C with 9 tricks? Oh I forgot, on the forum you need at least 11 top tricks to open 2C.

;) :P :D :) :) :angry: :blink:
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-13, 19:25

no.

yes. probably 3♣
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Posted 2008-February-14, 04:45

han, on Feb 13 2008, 05:38 PM, said:

Preempt:

W00t? Why don't you open 2C with 9 tricks? Oh I forgot, on the forum you need at least 11 top tricks to open 2C.

Han,

sorry I can't see the 9 tricks... I usually count loser's to open my 2C, and this one have 6 losers, so I was counting it has 7 tricks... But maybe wrong definition of tricks.

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Posted 2008-February-14, 10:18

I'll add smillies.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-14, 11:49

Add me to:

1. Yes
2. 3♣

Also, add me to "Bid 3NT if two Aces." I would go further, though. In that fourth suit, I don't need xxxx, or Jxx, or Qx, or anything. I just need two side Aces. I'm not going to fuss about "What if?" in this situation. The opponents need to find that lead, and the suit not block, and the suit provide 5 tricks, and partner not have a critical card, for 3NT to be wrong. Plus, with my hand hidden, it is not even clear that they will cash the suit out just because they can.
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Posted 2008-February-15, 11:26

1. Open 1♠, and I am viewed by my partners as a conservative bidder ;)

I don't like opening (I am a conservative bidder) but I hate passing even more.

2. 3♣. And I strenuously disagree with the notion that one can open 3N and partner is to pull with fewer than 2 Aces. I think it is standard to open 3N in 4th chair with an expectation of making it opposite a random 8 count. Yes, I know 2 Aces = 8 hcp, but I said 'random' B)
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Posted 2008-February-15, 12:18

I'd pass hand 1. What do you expect partner to do with ♠xx ♥Kx ♦AKxxx ♣Kxxx? Where would you expect to end up, and how do you like your chances? Unlucky not to have a major suit fit? I suppose. But when this happens and you open the bidding, you're never getting a good score. When partner has a nice fit and you start with pass, you could still easily get to game (in my experience missing a game this way is very rare).

Hand 2 is a clear opening bid in any seat.
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Posted 2008-February-15, 15:55

Adam, what is the chance of partner having (1) a gameforce, (2) no major suit fit, (3) we can't make 3NT and (4) we wouldn't get too high anyway after a pass.

Is this chance higher or lower than the chance that getting in immediate (1) leads us to a good game or slam that we might not find otherwise, (2) lets us win the partscore battle (3) prevents the opponents from finding their game, based on either power or a big minor suit fit.

The best case obviously happens when we quickly bid to a making 4M while the opponents don't find their big fit and miss a making 5m. Don't tell me that this never happens in your experience.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-15, 19:11

han, on Feb 15 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

Adam, what is the chance of partner having (1) a gameforce, (2) no major suit fit, (3) we can't make 3NT and (4) we wouldn't get too high anyway after a pass.

Is this chance higher or lower than the chance that getting in immediate (1) leads us to a good game or slam that we might not find otherwise, (2) lets us win the partscore battle (3) prevents the opponents from finding their game, based on either power or a big minor suit fit.

The best case obviously happens when we quickly bid to a making 4M while the opponents don't find their big fit and miss a making 5m. Don't tell me that this never happens in your experience.


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Posted 2008-February-15, 19:19

Clear opening on 1, clear 3C on 2.
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Posted 2008-February-15, 22:48

I wish BWS was clearer much clearer on what is an opening one level bid in all seats.
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Posted 2008-February-16, 02:25

I'm passing #1 2nd seat then getting way too aggressive later to go for a number to make up for it.

Opening #2, probably at 3C.
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