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KJx T9xx KJxxx x.
1C on your left, 1H from pard, 2H limit+ on your right. I can't remember the vul, lets say all red. You DO play fit jumps.
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Fit jump?
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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:41
It's not quite a good enough suit for my taste. If 4♣ is a splinter, I'll bid that (I also think it describes my hand better) and if not I'll just bid 4♥.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:43
Auto 4D, don't want partner to lead a heart against 5C.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-July-29, 23:55
I'm with Han on this one.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 01:38
han, on Jul 30 2008, 12:43 AM, said:
Auto 4D, don't want partner to lead a heart against 5C.
I am really, really not believing they are going to 5♣, after all, I have reasonable defense against 5♣ and partner made a vulnerable 2-over-1 call.
In addition, I am not thinking I want to force to 4♥ which might easily not be making and be a total phantom. Why should you make such a unilateral decision. This hand seems perfect for a "mixed raise"... that is, if a 3♥ bid is preemptive, that is out, this hand is too good for that. So that suggest to me a nice easy mixed raise bid of 3♣ (assuming you play it as that). This shows a four card raise that is just too good for a preemptive raise to 3. If 3♣ is not your mixed raise, ask yourself what is? Double? 2NT? 3♦? Something has to show a fair raise to 3♥ that is not preemptive and yet not strong.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 01:44
I know the hand, I was joking Ben.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 06:38
Not sure is this is right for that, because the heart quality is low and because the diamonds are not all that, and because I also like that spade suit.
That said, I think I hear some insider trading info, so a clear 4♦ for me, also.
I'd be happier with a FNJ as a passed hand. I also think a FNJ might be better here, even without the initial pass, after the LIM+ cue raise. I'm not sure why it makes me happier, other than that it just does.
That said, I think I hear some insider trading info, so a clear 4♦ for me, also.
I'd be happier with a FNJ as a passed hand. I also think a FNJ might be better here, even without the initial pass, after the LIM+ cue raise. I'm not sure why it makes me happier, other than that it just does.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 06:47
2NT good 4card raise, 2nd choice 3C.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 08:37
A fit jump looks wrong with so much in spades, and in any case it gets us higher than I want to be. 3♣, being the only available cue bid, would show a high card raise, not a mixed one. 3♥ for me.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 09:22
With the spade wastage, I'm just not good enough for a fit jump and I also think a splinter is an overbid. xxx KJxx KJxxx x and I'd FJ I think.
Why are we hanging pard for a one level overcall?
Mark me down for 3♣.
Why are we hanging pard for a one level overcall?
Mark me down for 3♣.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 10:01
I don't understand a fit-jump with this hand. Isn't it supposed to show partner where our values are, as well as most of our shape? Half our values are in a suit in which the opps rate to hold 6 - 7 cards, and hence are defensive, while we hold zero hcp in hearts.. I've never seen a fit-jump based on 4 hcp in the suits shown and hope that I never will (unless it is the opps doing it). Maybe I am revealing how out of date I am 
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Posted 2008-July-30, 12:18
I would bid 3♣ limit+ raise.
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Posted 2008-July-30, 16:19
For those wondering why you would drive to game opposite partner's 1H overcall, maybe it's because the opps will bid 5C over it sooooo much of the time? I mean really if either one of them has a stiff heart they are probably going to bid since nobody knows who makes what or how the hands fit, and they already have shown at least game invitational values so it can't be too far off.
How about the other reason that you can make game opposite a lot of minimums, especially when they pass out 4H since hearts will probably split, and partner won't know to bid game with those hands when you show a limit raise?
If you bid 3C or 2N with this hand your opps will really make far fewer errors and be under no pressure at all, and you will miss some games.
As far as whether to bid 4C, 4D, or 4H, well... I don't know. I agree with the sentiment that this hand is wrong for 4D because of the spade values, that being said since the opps are usually going to bid 5C getting a non heart lead might end up being really important. Unfortunately you don't really want to encourage partner to BID over 5C, which 4D might do. 4C might be good but it might make the opps less likely to bid 5C (since they can X to suggest a save), and might pick off whatever club holding partner has if they DO bid 5C, and it's not clear it dissuades a heart lead that much anyways.
I don't know I think it's a tough hand, and I'm not surprised that people are bidding 3C since that is how we are taught to play bridge/describe our hand/etc but I think bidding 3C is a big mistake nonetheless.
How about the other reason that you can make game opposite a lot of minimums, especially when they pass out 4H since hearts will probably split, and partner won't know to bid game with those hands when you show a limit raise?
If you bid 3C or 2N with this hand your opps will really make far fewer errors and be under no pressure at all, and you will miss some games.
As far as whether to bid 4C, 4D, or 4H, well... I don't know. I agree with the sentiment that this hand is wrong for 4D because of the spade values, that being said since the opps are usually going to bid 5C getting a non heart lead might end up being really important. Unfortunately you don't really want to encourage partner to BID over 5C, which 4D might do. 4C might be good but it might make the opps less likely to bid 5C (since they can X to suggest a save), and might pick off whatever club holding partner has if they DO bid 5C, and it's not clear it dissuades a heart lead that much anyways.
I don't know I think it's a tough hand, and I'm not surprised that people are bidding 3C since that is how we are taught to play bridge/describe our hand/etc but I think bidding 3C is a big mistake nonetheless.
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Posted 2008-August-01, 18:34
Results: 4H doesn't make, 5C doesn't make on a non heart lead. I bid 4H, they bid 5C, and partner led a heart.
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Posted 2008-August-03, 12:48
I think a non-slammish fit jumpshift will help opponents to know what to do over 4H more than its going to help partner to judge what to do over 5C. When opps show good strenght (opening & limit raise) surely a lead directing raise make more sense than a FJS.
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