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How do you evaluate when partner invites for the minors.

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2009-September-26, 14:23

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You open 2♥ Muiderberg = 5c♥ and 4+minor and weak.
Your partner bids 3♣ = game try (support for both minors)
(Partner could hava bid 2NT to ask your minor, but any more bid from him would then be GF or slem interest).
You have following options:
3♦ = minimum with ♦ suit
3♠ = maximum with ♦ suit
3NT = not defined
You would open most 11 pts hands with 1♥, but you don't have much in your minor and you were Red (partner already expects better then min).
What do you bid?
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Posted 2009-September-26, 14:35

3♠

When 3NT is the right contract, partner will bid so often that I don't worry. And that will rightside it too.
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Posted 2009-September-26, 14:59

3♦, that piece of junk may be 10HCP but I don't like the shape and the lack intermediates.

Btw, that's a weird kind of Muiderberg responses you're playing there...
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Posted 2009-September-26, 15:01

Free, on Sep 26 2009, 10:59 PM, said:

Btw, that's a weird kind of Muiderberg responses you're playing there...

All our agreements are weird. From the agreed bids why try to make the least weird bid at the table ;)
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Posted 2009-September-27, 00:14

Hate to be "that guy" but we have TEN POINTS!
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Posted 2009-September-27, 14:53

Jlall, on Sep 27 2009, 08:14 AM, said:

Hate to be "that guy" but we have TEN POINTS!

You bid 3♠ or 3NT?
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Posted 2009-September-27, 15:03

If you'd ever consider this a minimum I would suggest that describing the 2♥ bid as weak is not full disclosure. 3♠. If I don't bid it with this might as well take it off the card.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 02:56

You have a bid for this in your system, so use it.

This cannot be a judgement call with max. on HCPs, a real good main suit and just the jack of clubs of questionable value.

This is closer to an 1 Heart opening then to a minimum Muildenberg opening.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 10:38

My partner told me that this is not a good hand when he invites for the minors and probably wants to go to 5♦. Too much points in the short suits.
He thinks it is better to bid 3♦ (minimum with ♦) after having opened vulnerable.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 10:42


2♥-3♣
3♠-5♦
2♥=Muiderberg
3♣=invite with fit for both minors
3♠=max with ♦
(I'm not sure if my partner did bid 5♦ or if I did 5♦ over 4♦)
The lead was ♠A and a small ♠ for -1.
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Posted 2009-September-28, 10:50

how does your partner evaluate?
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Posted 2009-September-28, 11:36

kgr, on Sep 28 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

My partner told me that this is not a good hand when he invites for the minors and probably wants to go to 5♦. Too much points in the short suits.
He thinks it is better to bid 3♦ (minimum with ♦) after having opened vulnerable.

Did you tell your partner he invited game opposite a weak opening bid with a 13 count and a singleton in your main suit?!
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Posted 2009-September-28, 11:38

jdonn, on Sep 28 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

kgr, on Sep 28 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

My partner told me that this is not a good hand when he invites for the minors and probably wants to go to 5♦. Too much points in the short suits.
He thinks it is better to bid 3♦ (minimum with ♦) after having opened vulnerable.

Did you tell your partner he invited game opposite a weak opening bid with a 13 count and a singleton in your main suit?!

He hoped I had less in ♠ and more in minors
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Posted 2009-September-28, 11:46

kgr, on Sep 28 2009, 12:38 PM, said:

jdonn, on Sep 28 2009, 07:36 PM, said:

kgr, on Sep 28 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

My partner told me that this is not a good hand when he invites for the minors and probably wants to go to 5♦. Too much points in the short suits.
He thinks it is better to bid 3♦ (minimum with ♦) after having opened vulnerable.

Did you tell your partner he invited game opposite a weak opening bid with a 13 count and a singleton in your main suit?!

He hoped I had less in ♠ and more in minors

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Posted 2009-September-29, 15:21

Did I open 2♥ vul vs not on this hay? I don't understand this convention I guess, so abstain since I don't know what I promised with 2♥.
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