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(1NT) X (XX) ?
XX = strong.
When do you run?
Is fourth seat expected to run with any weak hand?
Or only with a five-card suit?
Is doubler expected to run when he thinks it is unlikely that 1NT will be defeated opposite just a few points?
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1NT XX When do you escape?
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Posted 2009-September-30, 05:08
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dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
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Posted 2009-September-30, 06:41
Obviously somebody needs to run 
But it doesn't have to be 4th seat. Pass would say, in effect, "I have no obvious choice of run out", handing the decision back to partner who may have a long suit. Therefore, I do think that a direct rescue by 4th seat should promise a 5 card suit.
But it doesn't have to be 4th seat. Pass would say, in effect, "I have no obvious choice of run out", handing the decision back to partner who may have a long suit. Therefore, I do think that a direct rescue by 4th seat should promise a 5 card suit.
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Posted 2009-September-30, 09:57
Technically, given optimal bidding strategies from both sides 4th seat expected to run with a weak hand. Otherwise opps can make a psychic redouble, if passing means doubler has to run unless they have an extremely good hand. But practically, this probably isn't the case for most people's agreements.
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Posted 2009-September-30, 10:35
I had this one recently
1NT* - p - p - x
p - p - xx - p
p - 2D
* weak
Is this D + a higher, since partner could have bid 2D over 1NTx with just a bunch of diamonds? Of course he doesn't know the redouble is coming.
1NT* - p - p - x
p - p - xx - p
p - 2D
* weak
Is this D + a higher, since partner could have bid 2D over 1NTx with just a bunch of diamonds? Of course he doesn't know the redouble is coming.
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Posted 2009-September-30, 12:08
Assuming penalty doubles of 1NT, I like the agreement that advancer must run with any weak hand and pass with values, and that a 2C bid is scrambling.
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Posted 2009-September-30, 16:56
It probably depends on form of scoring too. As a psychic XX is more likely in BAM or MP than in IMPs.
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Posted 2009-September-30, 17:02
I like the agreement that pass shows values, 2♦-2♠ are five card suits, and 2♣ shows clubs or any (semi)-balanced weak hand. If pass is forcing it allows the opponents to always escape by psyching the redouble (or if they psyched the original 1NT and actually have the redouble).
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Posted 2009-September-30, 19:17
I would definitely have the agreement that passing a redouble is always for penalty unless discussed.
I have never discussed doing anything else here with any of my partners but it probably makes sense to believe the redoubler because it is such a dangerous psych. So, if you wanted to, you could have some kind of agreement such as bidding the lower of 2 suits and pass forcing 2♣ with a one suiter. In the absence of any agreement like that I don't see any advantage in playing pass as other than penalty.
I have never discussed doing anything else here with any of my partners but it probably makes sense to believe the redoubler because it is such a dangerous psych. So, if you wanted to, you could have some kind of agreement such as bidding the lower of 2 suits and pass forcing 2♣ with a one suiter. In the absence of any agreement like that I don't see any advantage in playing pass as other than penalty.
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Posted 2009-October-02, 04:18
If the redouble is genuine then 4th seat is known to have a very weak hand.
My agreement is to 'believe' the redouble; 4th seat always passes and the doubler pulls unless he has it off in his own hand (which can happen with a long suit).
My agreement is to 'believe' the redouble; 4th seat always passes and the doubler pulls unless he has it off in his own hand (which can happen with a long suit).
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Posted 2009-October-02, 04:50
FrancesHinden, on Oct 2 2009, 11:18 AM, said:
If the redouble is genuine then 4th seat is known to have a very weak hand.
My agreement is to 'believe' the redouble; 4th seat always passes and the doubler pulls unless he has it off in his own hand (which can happen with a long suit).
My agreement is to 'believe' the redouble; 4th seat always passes and the doubler pulls unless he has it off in his own hand (which can happen with a long suit).
I think this is both simple and useful. Thanks.
What would you do in 4th seat when opps play Weak NT and 3rd seat passes to force a redouble. The bidding goes:
1NT (12-14) - X (pen) - Pass (alerted: forces a rdbl) - ???
XX (forced) - pass - Pass (business) - ???
Again, the 4th seat is known to have a very weak hand but is also the last to call if the 4th seat chose to pass in round 1. Any suggestions or comments?
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