[OleBerg]

pooltuna, on Oct 7 2009, 01:36 AM, said:

jdonn, on Oct 6 2009, 04:15 PM, said:

OleBerg, on Oct 6 2009, 03:56 PM, said:

2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game.

I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣.

Distort?

And the reason isn't to stop lower in clubs although that is nice too, it's to not miss hearts when LHO bids 2♠ or 3♠.

Amen to this! In fact not doubling may be masterminding the hand.

Well, still under the assumption that 2♦ is not forcing to game, but only 10+:

If I double and bid 2♦, all my partners would expect me to hold less than 10 points, but very often 6 diamonds. But of course standards may vary from place to place. So if X followed by ♦ shows this hand, it will of course have more merit.

Furthermore, I will have no qualms about doubling a 2♠-raise. (And if I start with a double, and it is followed by a 2♠ raise passed to me, both pass and 3♦ will be quite uncomfortable.)

If LHO bids 3♠ and partner cannot double it is quite seldom that we miss 4♥. It might happen, but by not showing our potential for 3NT, we will miss that much more often. And we can throw in the diamond-partials and (the few) diamond games, that we will also miss. In fact, even if partner is strong, the diamond suit might be unmentioned, when 6♦ is laydown.

[matmat]

this hand came up in one of the JEC matches the other day

♠T32 ♥Q7 ♦A86 ♣AJ876

♠J64 ♥AJ64 ♦KQT94 ♣5

the full auction was short, and as some of you suggested:

1♣ - (1♠) - X - ( P )
2♣ - ( P ) - 2♦- all pass

at the time i thought 2♦ was a little too pessimistic.

[peachy]

Jlall, on Oct 7 2009, 02:36 AM, said:

peachy, on Oct 7 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

gnasher, on Oct 7 2009, 02:02 AM, said:

What sort of values does double then 2♦ show?  Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣?

For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown.

I double and then pass, misfit.

You're too strong to bid 2D ergo you pass?

Not sure what I have said to cause a confusion about what I said...

I Dbl first, then pass. The hand is not too strong (or too weak) to bid 2D directly but IMO that is not as good as doubling, showing hearts.