[deep]

Scoring: MP

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System 5° Major, Diamond 4°

1♠ (?) What to do South? Pass or bid 2♥?
Ty at all for help

[TMorris]

Pass, poor suit with points outside & balanced makes a defensive hand.

[ArtK78]

I am assuming that my RHO opened 1♠.

I pass. The hand is fair but the suit is poor. Give me a better hand and I might overcall rather than pass, but I wouldn't like it. Give me a better suit and I would be more likely to overcall with this strength hand.

[jjbrr]

pass.

[Jlall]

I'd X w/w at MP. Either X or pass though don't bid 2H!!!

[pooltuna]

deep, on Oct 13 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

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System 5° Major, Diamond 4°

1♠ (?) What to do South? Pass or bid 2♥?
Ty at all for help

Since it is MP a double is also possible so really the choices are X and 2♥ and they are close enough that I don't a problem if partner chose either. I would probably choose X as the most flexible and due to the relative weakness of the ♥ suit.

[jjbrr]

2♥ is not a good bid.

[pooltuna]

jjbrr, on Oct 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

2♥ is not a good bid.

IMO it is better than pass

[jdonn]

Not close to 2♥. Agree with earlier comments that it's even better to double than bid 2♥, although pass is best.

[aguahombre]

pooltuna, on Oct 13 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Oct 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

2♥ is not a good bid.

IMO it is better than pass

i request to be the opponent of anyone who would bid 2H. If that can't happen, then I request that they note their results over a long period...either actual or on erosion of partnership trust

[neilkaz]

Pass here..I want a tad more playing strength for 2♥ and I'd like better ♦ for a double or a tad stronger hand.

[andy_h]

Double for me. 2♥ is definitely way off the charts.

[eyhung]

2H is nuts. Assuming a standard american-style system, this hand isn't worth opening 1H when RHO passes. Why should you be eager to bid one level higher when RHO has shown a good hand? Certainly not as a lead-director, I hope.

[pooltuna]

eyhung, on Oct 13 2009, 10:13 PM, said:

2H is nuts. Assuming a standard american-style system, this hand isn't worth opening 1H when RHO passes. Why should you be eager to bid one level higher when RHO has shown a good hand? Certainly not as a lead-director, I hope.

your partner only rates to be on lead only vs NT. Consequently which suit would you like to set up for your tricks.

[pooltuna]

aguahombre, on Oct 13 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Oct 13 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Oct 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

2♥ is not a good bid.

IMO it is better than pass

i request to be the opponent of anyone who would bid 2H. If that can't happen, then I request that they note their results over a long period...either actual or on erosion of partnership trust

C'mon down!!! I use the same handle in all of BBO where given a choice.

[aguahombre]

pooltuna, on Oct 13 2009, 10:56 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Oct 13 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Oct 13 2009, 05:27 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Oct 13 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

2♥ is not a good bid.

IMO it is better than pass

i request to be the opponent of anyone who would bid 2H. If that can't happen, then I request that they note their results over a long period...either actual or on erosion of partnership trust

C'mon down!!! I use the same handle in all of BBO where given a choice.

but likely with different partners

[eyhung]

pooltuna, on Oct 13 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

eyhung, on Oct 13 2009, 10:13 PM, said:

Why should you be eager to bid one level higher when RHO has shown a good hand?  Certainly not as a lead-director, I hope.

your partner only rates to be on lead only vs NT. Consequently which suit would you like to set up for your tricks.

My quip about the lead-direction was to highlight that one should not bid this hand on the basis of its inherent trick-taking value. It is unsound to bid this hand at the 2-level in a vacuum, because if you do not have a fit with partner, your best spot is probably 2H or 2NT and you rate to go down multiple tricks in either denomination. So if not for trick-taking, then what are you bidding for? It's not for the lead. The only other non-trick-taking-based reason I can see to overcall is to consume bidding space that might be useful to your opponents. I just don't see that as enough compensation for the fact that you are likely too high for your bid and given your poor trumps, the opponents will be doubling you when you are going down big. And even if partner comes up with enough to let you make 2H, partner will put you too high. It's a clear overbid to me.

I ran a quick double-dummy sim giving RHO a 1S opening :

2H takes 0-6 tricks 42% of the time.
7 tricks 16% of the time.
8 tricks 17% of the time.
9 tricks 16% of the time.
10 tricks 9% of the time.

Average # of tricks taken : 7, standard deviation 1.91

If you are bidding this hand because you perceive its trick-taking value to be sufficient, then you are either one hell of a declarer or your perceptions are misguided.