[haver]

1 club (partner) - pass - ? (you)

what do u bid with these hands:

a.)
K 10 x x x
10 x x
x x x
x x

b.)
K 10 x x x
x x x x
x x x
x

c.)
K J 10 x x
10 x x
x x x
x x

d.)
K 10 x x x
J 10 x
J x x
x x

e.)
K J x x x
10 x x x
J x x
x

Does vulnerablity make any diff. if yes, then what?

[pbleighton]

Pass with a, b, and c, bid 1S with d and e.

1S is borderline with c, particularly when NV. I wouldn't do it this morning, but some other morning....

Slightly off-topic, with my regular pd (but not with anyone else), in the sequences
P-1C/1D/1H-?
and
1C/1D/1H-?
I would bid 2S when NV with all 5 hands (and pass when vul with all 5).

Peter

[hrothgar]

I'm not expecting my posting to be particularly, popular but...

I have rarely gotten bad results when a 1C opening gets passed out.
I'd double with E, but otherwise I'm passing...

[Flame]

hrothgar, on Jul 4 2004, 08:31 AM, said:

I'm not expecting my posting to be particularly, popular but...

I have rarely gotten bad results when a 1C opening gets passed out.
I'd double with E, but otherwise I'm passing...

Your partner is the open to open 1c.
1c (pass) ?

[Flame]

Id bid just the same as said before:
Pass with a, b, and c, bid 1S with d and e.
I wouldnt critisize my partner for bidding 1s with c, it might be better for this hand but imo bad for other hands (if i pass this then when i bid 1sp partner know i got more).
If we play limited opening (even 12-17) 1h could work as well ( but imo this bid must be alerted)

[hrothgar]

Flame, on Jul 4 2004, 04:45 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Jul 4 2004, 08:31 AM, said:

I'm not expecting my posting to be particularly, popular but...

I have rarely gotten bad results when a 1C opening gets passed out.
I'd double with E, but otherwise I'm passing...

Your partner is the open to open 1c.
1c (pass) ?

URK!! Sorry about that

I'll bid 1S throughout. As A corrlary to an earlier post, I have rarely gotten a good score when I pass partner out in 1C...

Tempting to bid 1D with B, but this ill work-out badly if partner has a balanced hand. (Partner should bypass a 4 card major with a minimum strength balanced hand)

[Flame]

hrothgar, on Jul 4 2004, 08:57 AM, said:

I'll bid 1S throughout.

I didnt have any doubt that you would.

[Flame]

This is a matter of principle, I believe you should have a system and stick with it, if the system say 1s= 6 hcp then it should be a hand worth 6 hcp (5 with a 5 card is fine) you can stretch here and there but not too much, what im consurn about is not this board result, but the next board, because when you pass with this , it mean that when you bid you got more.
An example hand i had yesteday
QJ987xx
x
x
10xxx
All vul and I was first to bid, I know i will most likely get a better result with this hand by opening it (2sp or 3sp or 4sp), and like everyone i like to bid and play,
but i passed, because next time when i open 3sp i want my partner to know i'v got more.
The result was sad, 4sp bid and makes at many tables sometimes doubled, and i got -130 for 4c they made, but i dont think i'll change my ways, and hopefully my partners will have enough self displain to do the same.

[luke warm]

i'm with richard, i'd bid 1♠ on every auction

[luke warm]

Flame, on Jul 4 2004, 04:22 PM, said:

An example hand i had yesteday
QJ987xx
x
x
10xxx
All vul and I was first to bid, I know i will most likely get a better result with this hand by opening it (2sp or 3sp or 4sp), and like everyone i like to bid and play

the 'old' way (down 2 if vul, 3 if not) shows 7 losers for -500, if allowed to play 2♠, and if it's doubled... i don't know the feeling on this rule anymore, things have changed... but it seems sound to me

[pbleighton]

"the 'old' way (down 2 if vul, 3 if not) shows 7 losers for -500, if allowed to play 2♠, and if it's doubled... i don't know the feeling on this rule anymore, things have changed... but it seems sound to me"

Agree when vul, not when NV. My rule of thumb is - do you want to play the hand undoubled opposite a partner with nothing. I'm a lot more aggressive NV than the 'old' way, but not vul.

Peter

[Trpltrbl]

Pass on all except E, where I'll bid 1♠.

Mike

[dogsbreath]

my 2p worth..

i think it's absolutely clear-cut to bid 1S on c,d,e and would not criticise p for bidding 1S on a,b .. not bidding on c,d,e is going agin the tide .. ie: you are to likely to generate a 'swing' .. (so maybe ok if that's your intention)
Rgds Dog

Quote

furnulum pani nolo

[Trpltrbl]

I used to play Modified Flannery after 1♣ opening. No laughing please, you know who you are hehehe.
So on hand B I could have bid 2♦ showing 5♠ and 4♥ with 3-5 HCP.
And 2♥ would have shown 5♥ and 4♠ with 3-5 HCP.

Mike

[Free]

pass, pass, 1♠, 1♠, 1♠ Don't like to bid with only 3HCP, p can shoot too high after that Vulnerability doesn't matter for me. In imps however, I'll probably bid with all 5 hands

[Flame]

Free, on Jul 5 2004, 06:26 AM, said:

In imps however, I'll probably bid with all 5 hands

Why ? What in imp make it better to bid here ?

[Trpltrbl]

I agree, why you want to bid on all hands in Imps?
Wanna try for a bigger number to lose ?
Or is this part of the "Bid at all Cost" strategy ?

Mike

[Free]

Why? In imps, you take some risks to reach sharp games, so this is my risk... Nice 5 card suit, get it on

[Flame]

Free, on Jul 5 2004, 03:41 PM, said:

Why? In imps, you take some risks to reach sharp slams, so this is my risk... Nice 5 card suit, get it on

You think you will miss a slam if you pass a 3 hcp hand ?
Imo slams are your concern that passing this 3 hcp is better, because if your 1sp will show partner a real 6 hcp , the chances of you to reach the slam (when you got the 6 hcp) are higher.

I actually i think bidding 1sp with the 3 hcp at MP, then at imp, because at mp 1c all pass might get you a bad score of 90 instead of 140.

[Free]

Woopsy, typo alert! I meant "sharp GAMES" ofcourse