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Posted 2010-August-25, 09:57

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1♠-(2♣)-2♠-(Dbl)
P-(3♣)-P-(3NT)
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Posted 2010-August-25, 10:19

Since my partner bid 2 ♠ with no honor presumably, and he didnt make a preemptive raise ,i am going to try to find his entry in ♦ and lead the 9.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 10:20

Q♠>8♥>5♦>>>>>>>>>>any ♣

Clearly the danger is are you giving the opps their ninth trick with a ♠ lead. The red card choices clearly believe you do and struggle to find an entry to partner's hand and hope that partner's ♠ return is enough to break the hand. Finally a ♣ lead hopes that declarer will be forced to put our partner on lead before he collects his 9th trick.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 12:06

I lead red card.
I think it's close between diamond and heart.
Diamond looks more natural so I lead diamonds.

I think leading spade gives 9th trick too often.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 12:21

♠Q. They haven't promised solid clubs, and a single spade lead through declarer may not be enough.

Even if you lead a diamond and find partner with the ace, that may well give the contract - they might have six clubs and ♥A on top, plus some diamonds after the lead.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 13:05

I'm leading a spade.

Leading an offsuit assumes they need the ♠K as the 9th trick, and that partner can effectively lead through declarer once or twice, which needs a spade holding strong enough like Txx when declarer holds Kxx or T9x when declarer holds Kxxx.

As far the Q versus a spot, I doubt it makes a lot of difference, although I think on balance the Q makes our life easier.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 13:33

Queen of spades seems auto. Not the ace since now they might be able to hold up and we have no entry, not low since they might win the ten and have a stopper and maneuver to put us in (also dummy might have stiff T/9 and RHO K9xx or KTxx).
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Posted 2010-August-25, 13:39

JLOGIC, on Aug 25 2010, 08:33 PM, said:

not low since they might win the ten and have a stopper and maneuver to put us in (also dummy might have stiff T/9 and RHO K9xx or KTxx).

Or we might need to use partner's ♠10 to avoid an endplay.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 14:22

The immediate double by RHO tells me that the spades aren't 4-1. Therefore I'll lead the ♠Q, establishing the suit so that whoever has the entry can lead spades to run the rest of the suit.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 14:25

I think that a low spade gains quite a lot when declarer has Kxxx or KTxx. When partner has spades as bad as 98x and perhaps Qxx of clubs we might beat it now. I think that when declarer has Kxx it will make no difference.

And I am not sure why the double of 2S denies being something like Kxxx AJxx Axx xx? (Apollo81's point)
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Posted 2010-August-25, 14:41

Apollo81, on Aug 25 2010, 03:22 PM, said:

The immediate double by RHO tells me that the spades aren't 4-1.

Huh? If he had a 3N bid with 4 hearts he would almost always double I think.
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Posted 2010-August-25, 14:42

lamford, on Aug 25 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

I think that a low spade gains quite a lot when declarer has Kxxx or KTxx. When partner has spades as bad as 98x and perhaps Qxx of clubs we might beat it now.

How have you gained by leading low vs the queen in this scenario??
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Posted 2010-August-28, 13:42

A heart, if I am leading "their suit", a heart as more to gain.
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Posted 2010-August-28, 19:47

SQ.
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Posted 2010-August-29, 08:39

I think spade is hopeless, I have no clue wich red suit I'd lead but its sure one of them, I'll try a diamond today.
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Posted 2010-August-29, 15:15

JLOGIC, on Aug 25 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

lamford, on Aug 25 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

I think that a low spade gains quite a lot when declarer has Kxxx or KTxx. When partner has spades as bad as 98x and perhaps Qxx of clubs we might beat it now.

How have you gained by leading low vs the queen in this scenario??

Mea culpa; I did not notice that I had the seven of spades, so was worried about declarer having K107x, when I think you need to lead low. On the actual hand I would now lead the queen.
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Posted 2010-August-30, 04:12

Wouldn't be the first time declarer has ♠K stiff... Still the ♠Q is probably best.
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Posted 2010-August-30, 15:57

JLOGIC, on Aug 25 2010, 03:42 PM, said:

lamford, on Aug 25 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

I think that a low spade gains quite a lot when declarer has Kxxx or KTxx. When partner has spades as bad as 98x and perhaps Qxx of clubs we might beat it now.

How have you gained by leading low vs the queen in this scenario??

Opponents have to gather their trick in spades immediately with low spade lead or face partner leading through the spades rather than duck the lead with a Q♠lead although the Q does show the dummy and hopefully the next lead.
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