[Phil]

nv vs vul, teams

xxx AQxx xxx KQJ

1♣ - pass - pass - ?

If your answer is different at MPs, please say so.

Thanks

[gwnn]

1.. N?

[Rodney26]

1NT unless they are playing Precision. Then pass.

[jdonn]

I can see how pass could work, but 1NT is what I have so I bid it.

[rduran1216]

this hand is going to play like notrump by the looks of it, so unless we can make 3NT its better to pass than to bid 1NT.

Another possibility is that LHO planned to jump to 2NT on a response and now you may have him in a bad contract.

Either way, since my club pts are somewhat wasted and my hearts dont look promising, I will be glad to set 1C if I can, and if I can't, we can't make 1NT

[CSGibson]

easy 1N

edit: We could very easily have game with partner having a hand unsuitable for either an overcall or a take-out X. Partner may also get us to a making partscore when RHO has the 2N hand. Saying that if we were setting 1C then we aren't making anything is ludicrous, partner can easily have a 5 card heart suit that was unsuitable for a 1 level overcall opposite an unpassed partner, for example. Passing is too big of a position, especially at teams.

[655321]

1NT looks obvious.

CSGibson, on Sep 10 2010, 10:52 PM, said:

partner can easily have a 5 card heart suit that was unsuitable for a 1 level overcall opposite an unpassed partner, for example.

I agree that game is quite possible, but I struggle to think of these hands with five hearts that make 4H yet don't overcall because we are an unpassed hand. This reason for failing to overcall is new to me.

[hanp]

1NT, pass with one more club. The other alternatives don't exist.

[bluecalm]

I like passing in teams.
The only real danger I see is that partner is like 13+ and couldn't make t/o double.
Imo with most hands like:
AQTx xx AKxx Jxx he should've bid 1♠ anyway though so this is not that big of a problem.
I think 2 more common scenarios are:
a)partner has something but he couldn't bid because of club length and then collecting a couple of 100's will make for any possible partscore we could make (or they could make...).

b)opener is 18-19 balanced
then we really want to pass this one

[Phil]

bluecalm, on Sep 11 2010, 03:26 AM, said:

I like passing in teams.
The only real danger I see is that partner is like 13+ and couldn't make t/o double.
Imo with most hands like:
AQTx xx AKxx Jxx he should've bid 1♠ anyway though so this is not that big of a problem.
I think 2 more common scenarios are:
a)partner has something but he couldn't bid because of club length and then collecting a couple of 100's will make for any possible partscore we could make (or they could make...).

b)opener is 18-19 balanced
then we really want to pass this one

Agree with this, and probably at MPs too. It seems to me that partner has a weakish hand (imagine the points 18-6-4-12 around the table) and 1N will be a struggle to make. Or, partner has a hand unsuitable for action, probably with some clubs (many 4♣432's). In this case, 1♣ is a very nice spot for us. If 3N makes, frequently 1♣ will be -3/-4 anyway.

Strange things happen at the table. The person who held this bid 1N and got x'd by LHO who missorted his hand and actually held a 2N opener. -800! Life is tough sometimes.

[Phil]

Rodney26, on Sep 10 2010, 05:47 PM, said:

1NT unless they are playing Precision. Then pass.

I saw this happen once. The passer has a 0 count and 5 clubs.

It didn't work out for them.

[CSGibson]

655321, on Sep 10 2010, 10:39 PM, said:

1NT looks obvious.

CSGibson, on Sep 10 2010, 10:52 PM, said:

partner can easily have a 5 card heart suit that was unsuitable for a 1 level overcall opposite an unpassed partner, for example.

I agree that game is quite possible, but I struggle to think of these hands with five hearts that make 4H yet don't overcall because we are an unpassed hand. This reason for failing to overcall is new to me.

I'm saying something like when partner has Jxxxx of hearts & a random 8 count, not something where we want to be in 4 hearts, but something where we do want to compete in the auction with our fit.

As for the passed vs unpassed hand thing, I'm more aggressive with my overcalls when partner isn't unlimited, so for me that is a consideration. I realize that not everyone has that same style, though, so its not surprising to have it questioned.

[JLOGIC]

double, no reason 1C and something our way can't be cold imo.

[MFA]

1NT.

Reminds me of an all time classic remark from one of my team mates.
"1♣ made?, did you really defend 1♣?, how did the bidding go?"

[JLOGIC]

MFA, on Sep 11 2010, 05:08 PM, said:

1NT.

Reminds me of an all time classic remark from one of my team mates.
"1♣ made?, did you really defend 1♣?, how did the bidding go?"

I have heard that joke about a passout

[Cyberyeti]

JLOGIC, on Sep 11 2010, 05:24 PM, said:

MFA, on Sep 11 2010, 05:08 PM, said:

1NT.

Reminds me of an all time classic remark from one of my team mates.
"1♣ made?, did you really defend 1♣?, how did the bidding go?"

I have heard that joke about a passout

Never assume, I once played in 1♠ with partner having a clear cut response to my clear cut opening bid. Nobody could work out how we got there.

The auction unopposed 1♠-1♦-1♥-1♠. Which is about the only sort of auction where you can end the auction with a bid at the one level and not declare it.

[whereagles]

This seems like an easy 1NT wtp.

[bid_em_up]

wow.