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Courtesy raise Modern standard for raising 2H overcall.

Poll: What is the weakest diamond holding that would justify 3H? (41 member(s) have cast votes)

What is the weakest diamond holding that would justify 3H?

  1. less than Axxx (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  2. Axxx (1 votes [2.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  3. AJxx (11 votes [26.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.83%

  4. AQxx (14 votes [34.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.15%

  5. AKxx (7 votes [17.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.07%

  6. AKJx (3 votes [7.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.32%

  7. AKQx (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  8. hand needs more than AKQx (1 votes [2.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

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#1 User is offline   ashdown4 

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Posted 2010-September-14, 06:43

Scoring: IMP

P P 1S 2H
P ?


How much do you need in diamonds to raise partner's 2H to 3H?
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Posted 2010-September-14, 07:20

Axxx I think. Would be happier with AJ
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Posted 2010-September-14, 07:25

I just wonder, is KQJT less than Axxx or more than AKQx?
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Posted 2010-September-14, 07:27

I'd pass with Axxx, AJxx is close, AQxx I would raise.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 09:06

in retrospect I probably misvoted as 2♠ would be the LR+ so 3H should be a constructive raise equivalent and that means either AK or AQ of ♦
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Posted 2010-September-14, 09:08

Free, on Sep 14 2010, 01:25 PM, said:

I just wonder, is KQJT less than Axxx or more than AKQx?

it's somewhere close to AQxx but you see AQJx is not listed either and neither is AQJT, it would have been a little long don't you agree?
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Posted 2010-September-14, 09:34

I find it interesting.
I think most people I play with would expect at least AQxx and even that would be considered marginal.
I don't have any clue (or guesses) what is best approach though.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 09:37

Hi,

sry misread, voted AKQx.

For us Axxx is enough, although this is system depend.

If you only have an inv. raise or the single raise Axxx, than the single
raise should show contr. values, otherwise the range is to wide, so
most likely it needs to be AQxx.

Because of this peoble add a 3rd raise, which falls between the single
and the inv.+ raise, they call it mixed raise.
If you happen to play mixed raises, than the single raise can be weaker.


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Posted 2010-September-14, 09:37

hanp, on Sep 14 2010, 08:27 AM, said:

I'd pass with Axxx, AJxx is close, AQxx I would raise.

This was my choice. No idea why.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 09:59

what phil said
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Posted 2010-September-14, 11:28

AQxx. With less I wouldn't be all that surprised if it went p X p p back to me.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 11:34

Apollo81, on Sep 14 2010, 05:28 PM, said:

AQxx.  With less I wouldn't be all that surprised if it went p X p p back to me.

I really doubt our diamond holding has that much affect on the probabilty of that auction occuring. I went for AJxx, agree with others who say that is marginal.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:04

Raising with AJxx of diamonds is pretty sick, I would never do that.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:17

MickyB, on Sep 14 2010, 01:34 PM, said:

I really doubt our diamond holding has that much affect on the probabilty of that auction occuring.

...but our overall HCP count does have such an effect.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 12:20

AKxx for me.
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Posted 2010-September-14, 14:37

AQxx
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Posted 2010-September-14, 18:02

Yeh, AQXX....you think pard will alert because it shows good diamonds? :)
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Posted 2010-September-14, 18:29

AQxx barely qualifies for me. Am I missing game if I pass AQxx with this hand that is otherwise full of losers and only has 3 spot cards in support if PD has a max?

That is the question to me ..... neilkaz ...
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Posted 2010-September-14, 21:31

neilkaz, on Sep 14 2010, 07:29 PM, said:

AQxx barely qualifies for me. Am I missing game if I pass AQxx with this hand that is otherwise full of losers and only has 3 spot cards in support if PD has a max?

That is the question to me ..... neilkaz ...

Depends on who your partner is. Have you seen some of the overcalls here? If you don't raise you miss a cold game :D
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