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Get Owned With Me Rub of the Green

#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2010-September-22, 14:17

This is simply a story hand. Happened on the first board of the night at the club.

Scoring: MP

1NT - (P) - P - (2);
All Pass


Trick 1: K - A - 5 -2
Trick 2: 8 - 3 - 5 - 2
etc...

Result: -110
MP: 2 out of 11

We were a little surprised that the nice lady on our left balanced with her 6 count. Her partner didn't raise (which I thought was reasonable given the flat shape) and hooked me out of my Q on the first round, despite my partner opening 1NT.

However, we did not suspect any foul play whatsoever. This pair just does unusual things, because they don't know better. They managed a 46% on the day.

I call it rub of the green.
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Posted 2010-September-22, 14:20

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Her partner didn't raise (which I thought was reasonable given the flat shape) and hooked me out of my ♠Q on the first round


Maybe she played it so strangely because she couldn't see declarer's hand?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 01:54

I usually get the biggest bottoms against the biggest noobs. Against good players you get one now or then, but against beginners you get several time after time.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 11:59

I don't see a whole lot wrong here. Even mentioning the words 'foul play' tells me that its something that crossed your mind if you dismissed it.

The balance is marginal but maybe she didn't expect a good result defending 1N. Showing both majors would give her a level of safety.

A raise of a balancing 2 with a flat 11 is not recommended.

I might have taken a call with South when it comes back. I have 5-4 shape and we have at least half the deck.

I'd be curious if every other table played 1N. Some Norths won't open 1N, and NS have issues if North decides to boost to 2N. Even if EW defend 1N they have an easy beat and might even get it -2 if diamonds are misguessed or if declarer gets desperate and tries clubs or a heart first. Perhaps the spade shift isn't obvious to East after winning the diamond.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 12:07

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:52

Happens all the time - and the lower the standard of competition, the more it happens.

Sometimes you play OK and the duffers who come to your table make mistake after mistake and you end up with 65%+ for doing nothing special. And another night they gift the other tables they've been to tops all over the place and find they can play bridge against you. Then you're struggling make 50%.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 14:58

cherdanno, on Sep 23 2010, 01:07 PM, said:

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.

Maybe the opponents suspected "foul play" on the part of north.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 15:43

cherdanno, on Sep 23 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.

I guess you mean a takeout double by the NT bidder over the balancing 2S. Nice resulting. It would have worked this time.
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Posted 2010-September-23, 16:16

aguahombre, on Sep 23 2010, 04:43 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 23 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.

I guess you mean a takeout double by the NT bidder over the balancing 2S. Nice resulting. It would have worked this time.

Nice resulting to make one of the most normal bids in the history of bridge!
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Posted 2010-September-23, 16:59

aguahombre, on Sep 23 2010, 04:43 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 23 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.

I guess you mean a takeout double by the NT bidder over the balancing 2S. Nice resulting. It would have worked this time.

Not sure I follow, what is the Aquaman procedure when opponents overcall and you have shortage in their suit?
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Posted 2010-September-23, 17:03

655321, on Sep 23 2010, 05:59 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 23 2010, 04:43 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 23 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.

I guess you mean a takeout double by the NT bidder over the balancing 2S. Nice resulting. It would have worked this time.

Not sure I follow, what is the Aquaman procedure when opponents overcall and you have shortage in their suit?

Perhaps he prefers not to act after we've described our hand, partner has passed and competing requires partner to play at the three level.

I'd still double, just because my hand has so much offense for a 1N opening, but I need a better excuse than 'shortage'.

I stand by my comment that South should consider acting as well. But who really knows when we can see the hand and debating this after the fact?
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Posted 2010-September-23, 17:07

Phil, on Sep 23 2010, 06:03 PM, said:

655321, on Sep 23 2010, 05:59 PM, said:

aguahombre, on Sep 23 2010, 04:43 PM, said:

cherdanno, on Sep 23 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

I always expect a bad result when I forget to make a takeout double.

I guess you mean a takeout double by the NT bidder over the balancing 2S. Nice resulting. It would have worked this time.

Not sure I follow, what is the Aquaman procedure when opponents overcall and you have shortage in their suit?

Perhaps he prefers not to act after we've described our hand, partner has passed and competing requires partner to play at the three level.

On that auction, saying we have described our hand is kind of like getting robbed then describing the assailant to the police as "human, possibly male". We gave some true information about our hand but it is extremely far from described.

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I stand by my comment that South should consider acting as well. But who really knows when we can see the hand and debating this after the fact?

Perhaps he should consider it but he should definitely not do it!
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Posted 2010-September-24, 03:50

Definitely South has to do something. The majoritary NT has to win the bidding. I'd probably try 2NT on South's hand (and get owned as well, just in a different fashion ahah).
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Posted 2010-September-24, 09:10

"Win the bidding" does not mean "play the contract". If the opponents are in a contract that makes you happy you have won the bidding.
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