[mike777]

T984....A8....AJ984.....53


unfav vul imps.


(1c)=?

overcall or not?

[billw55]

has lead directing value so yes, 1♦

[Free]

yes, 1♦

[W Kovacs]

1♦, without hesitation.

[NickRW]

I have enough points for 1♦, I have enough cards for 1♦, if they win the contract it is at least a reasonable suit for partner to lead to, and I quite like the idea of playing in ♦. If I'm not overcalling 1♦ with this, when would I?

[pooltuna]

The critical factor is that opps slam chances are near 0 so I am risking -500,-800,-1100, or -1400 vs their + 460 or +450. While the risk may be relatively low it still exists and the gain from lead direction is less clear. So a case can be made for passing. Of course at reversed colors I have been known to call 2♦ altho not usually in 2nd seat

[NickRW]

pooltuna, on Sep 28 2010, 06:20 PM, said:

The critical factor is that opps slam chances are near 0 so I am risking -500,-800,-1100, or -1400 vs their + 460 or +450. While the risk may be relatively low it still exists and the gain from lead direction is less clear. So a case can be made for passing. Of course at reversed colors I have been known to call 2♦ altho not usually in 2nd seat

Yes, what you say is true - but there may also be hands where we can make 3♦ versus their making 2♥ - for the loss of significant IMPs every time this happens if I don't speak now with this - IMO.

Nick

[billw55]

pooltuna, on Sep 28 2010, 01:20 PM, said:

The critical factor is that opps slam chances are near 0 so I am risking -500,-800,-1100, or -1400 vs their + 460 or +450. While the risk may be relatively low it still exists and the gain from lead direction is less clear. So a case can be made for passing. Of course at reversed colors I have been known to call 2♦ altho not usually in 2nd seat

True, but .. a lot of things have to go wrong for us to go -800 in 1♦. Lefty has trumps and passes, righty reopens with double, and we only take four tricks. It sounds like a long shot to me. Versus all the good things that can happen: we make a partial, we make a good save, we make the right lead. On rare occasion, we make game our way.

[Phil]

I remember a hand like this some time ago and Danny Kleinman was going on and on about how the 1♦ 'undercall' is a poor bid. It makes it harder to find the 4-4 fit and it gives LHO some extra calls.

I didn't agree then nor now.

1♦.

[junyi_zhu]

mike777, on Sep 27 2010, 08:09 PM, said:

T984....A8....AJ984.....53


unfav vul imps.


(1c)=?

overcall or not?

Seems no rebidding problems after partner's possible forcing 1H or 1S. So it is indeed a marginal 1D overcall, which is about one jack or queen weaker than a normal aggressive minimum opener. When white vs red, it is possible to bid 2D IMO.

[junyi_zhu]

Phil, on Sep 28 2010, 07:16 PM, said:

I remember a hand like this some time ago and Danny Kleinman was going on and on about how the 1♦ 'undercall' is a poor bid. It makes it harder to find the 4-4 fit and it gives LHO some extra calls.

I didn't agree then nor now.

1♦.

Well, it depends on how you bid over 1D, if you play 1H or 1S showing 4+ and forcing one round, I don't see any difficulties finding 4-4 M because of 1D. Of course it may give some extra calls to LHO, that's probably a minor drawback of overcalling. This hand is actually quite strong, comparing with hands like AQJTx and nothing else, although you may make less tricks if the trump doesn't break well. IMO, it's more like "take the position overcall". If your opp can open 1C with KJxx xx x AQxxxx, it certainly doesn't feel very wrong to overcall 1D, which is just one or two HCP short of an opener.

[jdonn]

Not overcalling 1♦ is lol

[mike777]

ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt.

The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt.


My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me, so I was concerned if my overcall was nuts.


(1c)=1d=(1s)=2d
(3c)=p=p=(3d)
x



A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9

[junyi_zhu]

mike777, on Sep 28 2010, 09:52 PM, said:

ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt.

The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt.


My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me


(1c)=1d=(1s)=2d
(3c)=p=p=(3d)
x



A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9

Your partner should take most of the blame in this sequence. He can make a constructive 4 card raise at first if your overcalling style may be based on many 4 card suits. Once he decided to bid 2D, he didn't have to compete to 3D with soft holdings in C and H.

[Zelandakh]

Raising and re-raising means "I want to be doubled". Either he bids 3D immediately or he passes after 3C.

[jdonn]

mike777, on Sep 28 2010, 04:52 PM, said:

ok thanks for the responses...I did overcall and went for 500 and against -100 in 3nt.

The other room was silent with my hand and defended 3nt.


My p/u partner left just as dummy came down....mad at me, so I was concerned if my overcall was nuts.


(1c)=1d=(1s)=2d
(3c)=p=p=(3d)
x



A73....J752.....Q653.....Q9

Partner's bidding = lol

[jonottawa]

A lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on here. lol @ partner's bidding competing to the 3 level with a 9 card fit and half the deck. roflmao uh, no.

Some days, the bear gets you.

[jdonn]

jonottawa, on Sep 28 2010, 07:46 PM, said:

A lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on here. lol @ partner's bidding competing to the 3 level with a 9 card fit and half the deck.  roflmao  uh, no.

Uh, yes. There is more to a bridge hand than a 9 card fit (such as being balanced, spotless, having Qx of their suit, and balancing over 3 of a minor vul at imps), and even if you want to get there there is more than one way to reach the 3 level (like, all at once via a mixed raise!) I mean apparently overcalling 1♦ got them to 3♣ instead of a doomed 3NT anyway so I still lost like 5 imps and yet I still say non-1♦ is lol, wow I'm such a resulter!

Oh and is my math off or does 9 + overcall not = half the deck?

[655321]

Bidding 2♦ then 3♦ on partner's hand is terrible. This concept, that bidding the hand twice, giving opponents more room, more options is bad is not a difficult idea, and you posted this in the correct forum.

[Free]

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