[inquiry]

Scoring: MP


Submitted by Shyams

Bidding Script: East west do not enter bidding.

shymas comments: "Best contract in MPs is 3NT! 3NT is top, 4H is average, 4S is poor, slams are near zero. North will often find it hard to believe slam is not on! And if they try for slam, they won't have a way to play in the higher paying NT contract."

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[hrothgar]

We had a very boring auction

1N - 2♦
2♥ - 4♥

I'd be shocked if anyone is able to land in 3N

4N might be feasible...

[tgoodwinsr]

We shocked Richard, mostly by passing the diamond hand as dealer. Our sequence was P - 1S (potential canape); 2D - 3H (canape realized, and with a very strong heart suit; 2H would have been forcing); 3NT - P. That last pass didn't come very easily, but made some sense when partner couldn't open the bidding.

[jdonn]

I also passed as dealer (I was swinging a bit), then we bid

1♥ 1NT
2♠ 3NT
P

[JLOGIC]

This was the only board I didn't like what han did (who btw I think has outbid me in general in this contest, so not saying this to criticize him!)

Our auction was

1D 1H
1N 3H
4H

(3H natural/forcing/slammish). Personally I think over 3H han should bid 3N. The spades are a little weak for it but I think it describes a slow hand with some black suit values, and more importantly I think it's not that unlikely that 3N is the right spot in MP, bidding contest or not.

[kayin801]

We had the same auction information wise (different bid-wise) to other people's, where 4♥ is mildly slammish, but when the North hand is completely in charge I can't see how you stay out of 4♥.

[hanp]

Yeah I bid terribly here.

[Cyberyeti]

hrothgar, on Sep 29 2010, 05:30 PM, said:

We had a very boring auction

1N - 2♦
2♥ - 4♥

I'd be shocked if anyone is able to land in 3N

4N might be feasible...

This seems a very odd auction in that partner can easily have KQxx, Jx, Axxx, Qxx where it plays better in spades a good proportion of the time. Is there anything about any of the bids that is not entirely standard like the no trump denies 4cM ?

People can also play in 3N after a weak no trump, but some of them might also find themselves playing there on the same auction opposite much less suitable hands opposite.

eg 1N-2♦-2♥-2♠-2N-3♥-?

3N could easily be right, as it is, but partner could equally have Ax, x in the minors and be missing the Q♥ where 3N's not good, or not missing the Q♥ and you make 11 instead of 12 if everything behaves.

[Free]

Yeah, Richard choose to ignore the ♠s because we play standard Smolen and he wouldn't be able to show his true strength. Now he just showed a hand with 6+♥ and slam interest, otherwise we'd end up in at least 5♥.

Our 1NT structure is actually the only part of the system where we don't have detailed agreements if opps don't intervene, since that's not a specific part of MOSCITO...

[hrothgar]

Cyberyeti, on Sep 30 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

This seems a very odd auction in that partner can easily have KQxx, Jx, Axxx, Qxx where it plays better in spades a good proportion of the time. Is there anything about any of the bids that is not entirely standard like the no trump denies 4cM ?

Free and I aren't a particularly polished partnership at this point in time.

When I saw the South hand, the main thing that went through my head was that a simple unambiguous range ask would be useful, so I decided to supress the Spade suit and use Jacoby, followed by a 4 level rebid.

[peachy]

3NT should score more than 10, IMO. Still MPs.

[inquiry]

4NS peachy/Ig62
3NS TimG/TgoodwinSr
3NS jdonn/gib
3NN ant590/cryzeejim
5HS Karlson/threenobob
5HN bluecalm/redds
4HS gnasher/catch22
4HS Hrothgar/Free
4HN sohcahtoa/east4evil
4HN hanp/jlall
4HN cherdano/rogerclee
4HN wackojack/flycycle
4HN awn/elianna
4HN olegru/driver733
4HN bid_em_up/TylerE
4HN MBodell/Javabean


Scores (or it could be 11 and 5).
5N = 10
5H = 4

[cherdanno]

GIB FOR THE WIN!

[jdonn]

Why is 5NT or even 4NT as high as 3NT? If they lead out clubs and none of the suits come in for you then you have exactly 9 tricks. At least 4NT should be a point less than 3NT. Even moreso for 5♥, that could easily be down with 4♥ making!

[jdonn]

cherdanno, on Sep 30 2010, 08:15 PM, said:

GIB FOR THE WIN!

I have some bad ones, including the only 0 on one board! Could be close to advance...

[inquiry]

jdonn, on Sep 30 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

Why is 5NT or even 4NT as high as 3NT? If they lead out clubs and none of the suits come in for you then you have exactly 9 tricks. At least 4NT should be a point less than 3NT. Even moreso for 5♥, that could easily be down with 4♥ making!

Lazyness....

Ok,

3N = 11
4N = 10
4H = 5
5H = 4

[Mbodell]

jdonn, on Sep 30 2010, 06:16 PM, said:

Why is 5NT or even 4NT as high as 3NT? If they lead out clubs and none of the suits come in for you then you have exactly 9 tricks. At least 4NT should be a point less than 3NT. Even moreso for 5♥, that could easily be down with 4♥ making!

I agree. Something like:

3nt = 11
4nt = 10
5nt = 9
4♥ = 5
5♥ = 3

seems about right.