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Second seat all red:
AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652
What do you bid?
Hand Evaluation what to bid?
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Posted 2010-September-29, 22:44
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Posted 2010-September-29, 22:59
BunnyGo, on Sep 29 2010, 11:44 PM, said:
Second seat all red:
AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652
What do you bid?
AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652
What do you bid?
assuming g=beginner forum...easy
1nt 16-`18
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Posted 2010-September-29, 23:01
mike777, on Sep 29 2010, 11:59 PM, said:
BunnyGo, on Sep 29 2010, 11:44 PM, said:
Second seat all red:
AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652
What do you bid?
AJ2, KQ, KQJ, QT652
What do you bid?
assuming g=beginner forum...easy
1nt 16-`18
No, decent players using a 15-17 NT range...it may be worth bidding 1NT anyways.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 23:16
BunnyGo, on Sep 30 2010, 12:01 AM, said:
No, decent players using a 15-17 NT range...it may be worth bidding 1NT anyways.
This is matter of style. If you routinely open 1NT with good 14 HCP hands, then this hand is too good for 1NT. If you never open 1NT with 14 count, then you can certainly consider 1NT here in MP.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 23:20
I am a simple soul, I have 18 so I don't open a 15-17 NT, sorry if that offends the K&R fans.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 23:32
1♣ planning on rebidding 2N is the recommended standard sequence, especially for a B/I player. Once you have some level of experience, you can make the judgment for yourself whether to downgrade the hand based on the KQ tight.
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Posted 2010-September-29, 23:57
CSGibson, on Sep 30 2010, 12:32 AM, said:
1♣ planning on rebidding 2N is the recommended standard sequence, especially for a B/I player. Once you have some level of experience, you can make the judgment for yourself whether to downgrade the hand based on the KQ tight.
OP understands that 1♣ followed by 2N shows 18-19 so I find this rather unhelpful.
Tough hand. Sure KQ and KQJ aren't pulling their full weight, but I've got a 5-card suit too. Move a jack into the club suit and I think a 2N rebid strategy is 100% clear so this doesn't seem so far off that I should downgrade to a 1N opener.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 01:11
Obvious 1NT and B/I players are perfectly capable of understanding that KQ KQJ is not worth 11 HCP.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 02:07
kfay, on Sep 29 2010, 10:57 PM, said:
CSGibson, on Sep 30 2010, 12:32 AM, said:
1♣ planning on rebidding 2N is the recommended standard sequence, especially for a B/I player. Once you have some level of experience, you can make the judgment for yourself whether to downgrade the hand based on the KQ tight.
OP understands that 1♣ followed by 2N shows 18-19 so I find this rather unhelpful.
Tough hand. Sure KQ and KQJ aren't pulling their full weight, but I've got a 5-card suit too. Move a jack into the club suit and I think a 2N rebid strategy is 100% clear so this doesn't seem so far off that I should downgrade to a 1N opener.
Fair enough. I should have probably read into the thread title that the OP was looking for more than the basics.
For the record, I agree with your assessment as to the hand, it's just good enough that I wouldn't downgrade, personally, but I wouldn't think it a clear error if someone did decide to downgrade.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 03:13
I would open 1NT. There are plenty players though who will never downgrade no matter what.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 07:01
655321, on Sep 30 2010, 12:20 AM, said:
I am a simple soul, I have 18 so I don't open a 15-17 NT, sorry if that offends the K&R fans.
I'm happy to read this. I assumed every player better than me was going to bid 1NT.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 08:36
nigel_k, on Sep 30 2010, 07:11 AM, said:
Obvious 1NT and B/I players are perfectly capable of understanding that KQ KQJ is not worth 11 HCP.
This!
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Posted 2010-September-30, 08:50
655321, on Sep 30 2010, 12:20 AM, said:
I am a simple soul, I have 18 so I don't open a 15-17 NT, sorry if that offends the K&R fans.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 09:18
Not 1NT. Simply consider the number of 6, 5, and even 4 counts that give reasonable play for 3NT and the reason why 1N is bad should be obvious. Even if I were to ever downgrade 18 counts into 1N (and I don't), I'd never do it with a decent 5 card suit.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 09:39
1NT for me. Control deficient.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 09:49
I think downgrading is questionable at best. There is a 5 card suit which, although it's bad, has the ten and that is important. I happen to think the field has lost its marbles here.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 09:53
nigel_k, on Sep 30 2010, 02:11 AM, said:
Obvious 1NT and B/I players are perfectly capable of understanding that KQ KQJ is not worth 11 HCP.
I strongly disagree. And I don't mean that as an insult to B/I players, I mean it as a compliment to anyone who knows what KQ and KQJ are worth since they are better than B/I IMO (at least better than B for sure).
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Posted 2010-September-30, 10:02
TylerE, on Sep 30 2010, 10:18 AM, said:
Not 1NT. Simply consider the number of 6, 5, and even 4 counts that give reasonable play for 3NT and the reason why 1N is bad should be obvious. Even if I were to ever downgrade 18 counts into 1N (and I don't), I'd never do it with a decent 5 card suit.
Let me know when you have one and we will discuss it
Serisouly, I don't really care on this one either way, whichever my partner chooses would be fine with me. Personally I lean to the aggressive side so I would open 1♣ and rebid 2NT. But it doesn't feel like a very important distinction.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 10:05
I said decent, not great. QTxxx is certainly a decent suit in my book. Even opposite as bad as 2 small it can be setup for 3 tricks a lot of the time, and opposite Ax or Kx it will be 4 tricks a good chunk of the time.
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Posted 2010-September-30, 10:14
TylerE, on Sep 30 2010, 09:05 AM, said:
QTxxx is certainly a decent suit in my book. Even opposite as bad as 2 small it can be setup for 3 tricks a lot of the time, and opposite Ax or Kx it will be 4 tricks a good chunk of the time.
provably lol