BBO Discussion Forums: rebid after f1nt - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

rebid after f1nt

#1 User is online   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,134
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2011-January-27, 18:27

MP NV
You hold A987643, A54, A4, T you open 1 partner responds 1N (2/1) your bid and is it 100% clear?
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#2 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2011-January-27, 18:34

2, bad suit, not a great hand, and yeah I think it's pretty clear IMO
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#3 User is offline   Elianna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,437
  • Joined: 2004-August-29
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Switzerland

Posted 2011-January-27, 18:53

I don't play 1NT forcing usually, but I can't imagine what else I would bid after 1NT (forcing or not). Unless 1NT were something highly artificial, that is...
My addiction to Mario Bros #3 has come back!
0

#4 User is offline   awm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,375
  • Joined: 2005-February-09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Zurich, Switzerland

Posted 2011-January-27, 18:58

There's often a case for bidding 3 on light values when holding a seven-card suit as here.

This hand seems borderline to me; I think I would bid 2 but slightly better spades (say the jack or even the ten) would be enough for me to bid 3.
Adam W. Meyerson
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
0

#5 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2011-January-27, 19:10

I would bid 2S. Despite holding a 7 card suit, the suit quality is not great. Agree with Adam - put a little more stuffing in the S suit and it is worth 3.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#6 User is offline   kayin801 

  • Modern Day Trebuchet Enthusiast
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 738
  • Joined: 2007-October-17
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Western Mass.

Posted 2011-January-27, 22:17

2, though I think it is close. Yes we will miss game sometimes when partner passes with a doubleton spade, a red king, and just some extra junk, but when partner doesn't have spade support this isn't nearly as good of a hand.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

East4Evil sohcahtoa 4ever!!!!!1
0

#7 User is offline   Phil 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,092
  • Joined: 2008-December-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:North Texas, USA
  • Interests:Mountain Biking

Posted 2011-January-27, 22:39

2 - This is an odd hand but 3 wouldn't occur to me.
Hi y'all!

Winner - BBO Challenge bracket #6 - February, 2017.
0

#8 User is online   jillybean 

  • hooked
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,134
  • Joined: 2003-November-15
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Vancouver, Canada
  • Interests:Multi

Posted 2011-January-28, 09:24

I bid 2, partner passed with QT, K7, J853, A7653 and we missed an easy game, we were both at the top for our bids. (A987643, A54, A4, T)

I was talking with a local expert about this hand and he said one "expert" treatment is for you to bid 2 to limit the hand (i.e. non-forcing) but hope your partner doesn't pass. Then you bid again at the minimum level. In 2/1 with forcing NT your 2 bid typically only promises 3.

He also added that this isn't mainstream, sounds good on paper but when partner passes 2 and you miss your 7-2 fit, don't call me. :)
"And no matter what methods you play, it is essential, for anyone aspiring to learn to be a good player, to learn the importance of bidding shape properly." MikeH
0

#9 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2011-January-28, 10:22

This is a clear 2 1/2 bid.

:)

Seriously, a case can be made for bidding 2 or 3. I would lean slightly to bidding 2.

If you bid 2 and partner shows signs of life, the question then becomes do you bid 4.
0

#10 User is offline   CSGibson 

  • Tubthumper
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,835
  • Joined: 2007-July-11
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portland, OR, USA
  • Interests:Bridge, pool, financial crime. New experiences, new people.

Posted 2011-January-28, 10:37

View Postjillybean, on 2011-January-28, 09:24, said:

I bid 2, partner passed with QT, K7, J853, A7653 and we missed an easy game, we were both at the top for our bids. (A987643, A54, A4, T)



Your 2 bid was not the reason you missed game. It is perfectly normal in a 2/1 system, and much better than bidding a 2 card diamond suit (imagine partner passing with 1 spade and 3 diamonds...shudder).

In my opinion, your partner should not have passed 2. He has 3 cover cards (an A, a K, and the Q of trump), and should evaluate his hand as invitational opposite a 2 rebid, bidding 3 to show an invite with 2 card spade support.
Chris Gibson
0

#11 User is offline   nigel_k 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,207
  • Joined: 2009-April-26
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Wellington, NZ

Posted 2011-January-28, 14:17

Partner should have raised to 3. 9 HCP with a ruffing value and no wastage is enough (disregarding the J).

I don't agree with a 2 rebid at all. It will be wrong if partner passes, and if not you are bidding 3 next which you could have done directly over 1NT. Though I think 2 is enough. It would be ok to bid 2 on something like Axxxxx Axx AKx x because then you might make 2 but not 3 when partner has spade shortage and because you don't want partner to raise 3 with a singleton.
0

#12 User is offline   vuroth 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,459
  • Joined: 2007-June-03
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-January-28, 14:30

I might almost like the 2 idea if we had 3, but never 2. Even then, I'd rather play in a 7-1 than a 5-3.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

"gwnn" said:

rule number 1 in efficient forum reading:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
0

#13 User is offline   the hog 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-March-07
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Laos
  • Interests:Wagner and Bridge

Posted 2011-January-29, 03:40

View Postnigel_k, on 2011-January-28, 14:17, said:

Partner should have raised to 3. 9 HCP with a ruffing value and no wastage is enough (disregarding the J).

I don't agree with a 2 rebid at all. It will be wrong if partner passes, and if not you are bidding 3 next which you could have done directly over 1NT. Though I think 2 is enough. It would be ok to bid 2 on something like Axxxxx Axx AKx x because then you might make 2 but not 3 when partner has spade shortage and because you don't want partner to raise 3 with a singleton.


I concur with Nigel. Your partner had 3 very fgood cards for you and should have raised to 3S. Bidding 2D is very poor.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
0

#14 User is offline   mcphee 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,512
  • Joined: 2003-February-16

Posted 2011-January-29, 08:12

2S with no other bid in mind. Partner could have bid 3S or even 2N, passing is being far too timid.
0

#15 User is offline   ggwhiz 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,952
  • Joined: 2008-June-23
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-January-29, 11:21

2 for me but I have the luxury of a partner that will bid 2nt over that with any reasonable excuse.

ie. opposite the actual Qx, Kx, Jxxx, Axxxxx 3nt would roll opposite 6 running spades and the Ace of hearts.

I have been convinced by her to bid 2nt in these situations much more often than I used to but it means we don't open nearly as many 11 counts as others do.

Note: Just saw the comment for a raise to 3 spades which works for me too as long as you don't open modest 11's.
When a deaf person goes to court is it still called a hearing?
What is baby oil made of?
0

#16 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2011-February-03, 11:31

View Postjillybean, on 2011-January-28, 09:24, said:

I was talking with a local expert about this hand and he said one "expert" treatment is for you to bid 2 to limit the hand (i.e. non-forcing) but hope your partner doesn't pass. Then you bid again at the minimum level. In 2/1 with forcing NT your 2 bid typically only promises 3.


You might bid this way with Axxxxx KQx x AQx. The hand is quite strong for 2S and 3S doesn't look attractive with such a weak suit. Also, you could easily belong in hearts, and 2C makes it easier for partner to introduce them. If partner passes 2C, you probably haven't missed a game (more relevant at IMPS) and you might make 2C when 2S (or 3S) goes down.

Suggesting this idea with A987643, A54, A4, T is truly horrible.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#17 User is offline   pooltuna 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,814
  • Joined: 2009-July-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:New Orleans

Posted 2011-February-03, 12:02

Bandwagon...as others have noted your partner had a 2-card limit raise :)
"Tell me of your home world, Usul"
the Freman, Chani from the move "Dune"

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

2 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 2 guests, 0 anonymous users