rebid after f1nt
#1
Posted 2011-January-27, 18:27
You hold A987643, A54, A4, T you open 1♠ partner responds 1N (2/1) your bid and is it 100% clear?
#2
Posted 2011-January-27, 18:34
#3
Posted 2011-January-27, 18:53
#4
Posted 2011-January-27, 18:58
This hand seems borderline to me; I think I would bid 2♠ but slightly better spades (say the jack or even the ten) would be enough for me to bid 3♠.
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#5
Posted 2011-January-27, 19:10
#6
Posted 2011-January-27, 22:17
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#7
Posted 2011-January-27, 22:39
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#8
Posted 2011-January-28, 09:24
I was talking with a local expert about this hand and he said one "expert" treatment is for you to bid 2♦ to limit the hand (i.e. non-forcing) but hope your partner doesn't pass. Then you bid ♠ again at the minimum level. In 2/1 with forcing NT your 2♦ bid typically only promises 3.
He also added that this isn't mainstream, sounds good on paper but when partner passes 2♦ and you miss your 7-2♠ fit, don't call me.
#9
Posted 2011-January-28, 10:22
Seriously, a case can be made for bidding 2♠ or 3♠. I would lean slightly to bidding 2♠.
If you bid 2♠ and partner shows signs of life, the question then becomes do you bid 4♠.
#10
Posted 2011-January-28, 10:37
jillybean, on 2011-January-28, 09:24, said:
Your 2♠ bid was not the reason you missed game. It is perfectly normal in a 2/1 system, and much better than bidding a 2 card diamond suit (imagine partner passing with 1 spade and 3 diamonds...shudder).
In my opinion, your partner should not have passed 2♠. He has 3 cover cards (an A, a K, and the Q of trump), and should evaluate his hand as invitational opposite a 2♠ rebid, bidding 3♠ to show an invite with 2 card spade support.
#11
Posted 2011-January-28, 14:17
I don't agree with a 2♦ rebid at all. It will be wrong if partner passes, and if not you are bidding 3♠ next which you could have done directly over 1NT. Though I think 2♠ is enough. It would be ok to bid 2♦ on something like Axxxxx Axx AKx x because then you might make 2♦ but not 3♠ when partner has spade shortage and because you don't want partner to raise 3♠ with a singleton.
#12
Posted 2011-January-28, 14:30
"gwnn" said:
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#13
Posted 2011-January-29, 03:40
nigel_k, on 2011-January-28, 14:17, said:
I don't agree with a 2♦ rebid at all. It will be wrong if partner passes, and if not you are bidding 3♠ next which you could have done directly over 1NT. Though I think 2♠ is enough. It would be ok to bid 2♦ on something like Axxxxx Axx AKx x because then you might make 2♦ but not 3♠ when partner has spade shortage and because you don't want partner to raise 3♠ with a singleton.
I concur with Nigel. Your partner had 3 very fgood cards for you and should have raised to 3S. Bidding 2D is very poor.
#14
Posted 2011-January-29, 08:12
#15
Posted 2011-January-29, 11:21
ie. opposite the actual Qx, Kx, Jxxx, Axxxxx 3nt would roll opposite 6 running spades and the Ace of hearts.
I have been convinced by her to bid 2nt in these situations much more often than I used to but it means we don't open nearly as many 11 counts as others do.
Note: Just saw the comment for a raise to 3 spades which works for me too as long as you don't open modest 11's.
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#16
Posted 2011-February-03, 11:31
jillybean, on 2011-January-28, 09:24, said:
You might bid this way with Axxxxx KQx x AQx. The hand is quite strong for 2S and 3S doesn't look attractive with such a weak suit. Also, you could easily belong in hearts, and 2C makes it easier for partner to introduce them. If partner passes 2C, you probably haven't missed a game (more relevant at IMPS) and you might make 2C when 2S (or 3S) goes down.
Suggesting this idea with A987643, A54, A4, T is truly horrible.
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#17
Posted 2011-February-03, 12:02
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