Minorwood (4m asking for keycards in m)
#1
Posted 2011-April-11, 12:42
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
#2
Posted 2011-April-11, 13:11
--when it is Texas
--when raising partner's preempt.
--when 4SF has caused 4m to be the first show of fit (other thread)
--when obvious we are playing some other strain (splinters and cues for a major).
--when it is Gerber or Stayman.
--immediate jump to four/1m (whether there is competition or not).
--P/C takeout of pard's 3NT opening.
--when taking out pard's 3-level takeout double.
--After 1NT-3NT* showing worry about major suit stops.
--After 2NT and our MSS 3S.
This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-April-11, 13:24
#3
Posted 2011-April-11, 13:51
1m - 2m (inverted) - 4m
1NT - 3m (single-suited slam try) -3 any - 4m
That's it.
#4
Posted 2011-April-11, 14:22
#5
Posted 2011-April-11, 18:50
#7
Posted 2011-April-12, 11:00
"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."
-Alfred Sheinwold
#8
Posted 2012-April-19, 06:01
After agreement of the suit, an uninterrupted raise to 4 of the minor is minorwood. (An agreement is defined as both partner bid the same suit in a natural way, or after 1NT-transfer to minor)
For example:
1♦-2/3♦
4♦ (minorwood)
1♦-1♥
3♦(GF)-3♠
4♦(about 6♦, strongly want p to play ♦, unless p is void)
1♣-1♦
4♦(preempt)
2NT-3♠(MSS)
4♦(response to MSS)
1NT-2♠(transfer to ♣)
3♣-4♣(minorwood)
1♣-(/)-2♣-(3♠)
4♣(natural)
I don't like kickback because a cue-bid is more useful than any form of blackwood. I try to use cue-bids if I can, only when not enough space I uses blackwood.
#9
Posted 2012-April-19, 06:43
And BTW, Quantumcat, you could have just answered "no", that would have been fine.
-- Bertrand Russell
#10
Posted 2012-April-19, 07:13
Echognome, on 2011-April-11, 14:22, said:
mike777, on 2011-April-11, 18:53, said:
double ditto
#11
Posted 2012-April-19, 08:01
jillybean, on 2012-April-19, 07:13, said:
Ok come on K. we all know the "only in a very serious partnership" bit doesn't apply for you.
-- Bertrand Russell
#12
Posted 2012-April-19, 08:04
#13
Posted 2012-April-19, 08:21
-- If minor suit fit has been agreed at the 3- level ( or below ), then 4m ( Minorwood ) is RKC.
-- If minor suit fit has been first agreed at the 4- level, then Kickback is RKC
Examples:
1C - 2C! ( inverted )
4C! = Minorwood-RKC
1S - 2C! ( 2/1 GF )
3C - 4C! = Minorwood- RKC
1S - 1NT
3C - 4C
4D! = Kickback-RKC
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .
#14
Posted 2012-April-19, 08:42
TWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-April-19, 08:21, said:
-- If minor suit fit has been agreed at the 3- level ( or below ), then 4m ( Minorwood ) is RKC.
-- If minor suit fit has been first agreed at the 4- level, then Kickback is RKC
Examples:
1C - 2C! ( inverted )
4C! = Minorwood-RKC
1S - 2C! ( 2/1 GF )
3C - 4C! = Minorwood- RKC
1S - 1NT
3C - 4C
4D! = Kickback-RKC
I tried this and would get horribly mixed up. Since KB allows you to get out at the 5 level what is the benefit of playing this mixed response structure?
#15
Posted 2012-April-19, 08:50
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#16
Posted 2012-April-19, 09:34
All too often, one needs 4m in order to either set trump or, more commonly, to confirm a slam try and start cuebidding. On those hands where we want to ask for keycard below 4N, kickback consumes only one more bid than does minorwood. By using 4m to set cuebidding in motion and kickback one gets the best of both worlds.
One qualification to this: I liked Frances's suggestion...but I don't play in any sufficiently serious partnership that it makes sense to play kickback and a limited form of minorwood...any gain from minorwood in those rare situations would be offset, in my case, by the risk of a forget by one or the other of us.
#17
Posted 2012-April-19, 09:40
#18
Posted 2012-April-19, 10:43
#19
Posted 2012-April-19, 11:10
- billw55
#20
Posted 2012-April-19, 11:28
jillybean, on 2012-April-19, 08:42, said:
Another advantage for playing either, besides "getting out" at the 5-level, is getting out in 4NT ( if you have prior agreement ). [ Side note: The King-ask is always "kickback" in Minorwood ] .
For example:
♣ agreed:
4C! ( Minorwood ) - 4H ( 1/4 )
??
.. 4S! ( next step = ♣Q-ask )
..4NT = to play
.. 5C = to play
.. 5D = kickback for ( specific ) Kings
One advantage of playing Minorwood is that you always can have a trump-Q-ask BELOW 5m.
When you play Kickback along with the agreement for 4NT = to play, you may NOT have a trump-Q-ask BELOW 5m.
For example:
♣ agreed:
4D! ( Kickback ) - 4S ( 1/4 )
??
..4NT = to play
.. 5C = to play
.. 5D = ??
Of course if you don't have 4NT = to play, you don't have a problem with a trump Q-ask .
TWOferBRIDGE
"imo by far in bridge the least understood concept is how to bid over a jump-shift
( 1M-1NT!-3m-?? )." ....Justin Lall
" Did someone mention relays? " .... Zelandakh
K-Rex to Mikeh : " Sometimes you drive me nuts " .