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I've been spoiled by playing strong club so I get rusty on these sequences. (Yes, this is a gratuitous cheap-shot at 2/1)
1♣-(P)-1♥-(1♠)-
2♠
Playing support Xs, this probably shows a big hand without 3 card support and no spade stopper.
1) Is 2♠ GF?
2) If not, what bids by responder are NF and what bids are forcing?
3) Opener had 9xx, AQ, Axx, AKJxx. Agree with 2♠? If so, is a 3♥ followup to whatever responder bids forcing or NF? (or does it depend?)
Thanks in advance.
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What's game forcing? 2/1
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Posted 2011-June-07, 14:44
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 15:00
This shows a single-suited hand too strong for 3♣. I would say it is a GF.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 15:02
helene_t, on 2011-June-07, 15:00, said:
This shows a single-suited hand too strong for 3♣. I would say it is a GF.
Or a stopperless 18-19 balanced.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 15:08
helene_t, on 2011-June-07, 15:00, said:
This shows a single-suited hand too strong for 3♣. I would say it is a GF.
He said he plays supp dbls.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 15:11
cherdano, on 2011-June-07, 15:02, said:
Or a stopperless 18-19 balanced.
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Posted 2011-June-07, 21:03
helene_t, on 2011-June-07, 15:00, said:
This shows a single-suited hand too strong for 3♣. I would say it is a GF.
cherdano, on 2011-June-07, 15:02, said:
Or a stopperless 18-19 balanced.
MrAce, on 2011-June-07, 15:08, said:
He said he plays supp dbls.
The first two quotes cover it. The third one is just in case we missed the fact that they play support doubles?
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Posted 2011-June-07, 21:54
In my opinion, 2S can also be a power HCP raise of hearts.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 00:17
#1 2S is GF
#3 2S - sure, 3H is problematic, I dont think, I will bid this at my next turn,
similar, I wont bid 3S.
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#3 2S - sure, 3H is problematic, I dont think, I will bid this at my next turn,
similar, I wont bid 3S.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 02:35
aguahombre, on 2011-June-07, 21:03, said:
The first two quotes cover it. The third one is just in case we missed the fact that they play support doubles?
Well, if we didn't play support double then xxx-Ax-AKx-AKxxx would double as well and the cuebid could show 6+ clubs. Then again, if we open 1♦ with 4-4 minors then there are few 18-19 balanced hands with two hearts, no spade stopper, and the clubs not good enough to almost count as a one-suiter. So I was not very wrong
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Posted 2011-June-08, 02:54
aguahombre, on 2011-June-07, 21:03, said:
The first two quotes cover it. The third one is just in case we missed the fact that they play support doubles?
If you bothered to check the time difference between my and Cherdano's post, before you downvote, you could easily see they were being written at the same time, i just completed it 4-5 mins later than him and didnt see his reply while i was posting. 4-5 mins slow typing is what it takes to get a downvote i guess...
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Posted 2011-June-08, 03:21
MrAce, on 2011-June-08, 02:54, said:
4-5 mins slow typing is what it takes to get a downvote i guess...
You must admit that 1 word/min. is really very slow.
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Posted 2011-June-08, 03:27
mgoetze, on 2011-June-08, 03:21, said:
You must admit that 1 word/min. is really very slow.
Guilty as charged.
(people do write and delete and decide to write something else sometimes b4 they post it)
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Posted 2011-June-10, 10:42
Yes, it's one of those three things. So either 4 or at most 2 hearts.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-June-13, 20:37
helene_t, on 2011-June-07, 15:00, said:
This shows a single-suited hand too strong for 3♣. I would say it is a GF.
If, as you say it is single suited, then what are you going to rebid if the 1♠ bid had not been made.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 02:51
jmcw, on 2011-June-13, 20:37, said:
If, as you say it is single suited, then what are you going to rebid if the 1♠ bid had not been made.
Good question. Depends on the exact hand but if nothing fits then I would probably have faked a reverse in diamonds. With some partners an off-shape 2NT rebid is also allowed but I am not really going to recommend that (of fear of getting downvoted
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Posted 2011-June-14, 19:27
helene_t, on 2011-June-14, 02:51, said:
Good question. Depends on the exact hand but if nothing fits then I would probably have faked a reverse in diamonds. With some partners an off-shape 2NT rebid is also allowed but I am not really going to recommend that (of fear of getting downvoted )
)I dunno what downvoting is. Back to your initial response, and your follow up.
It could be a solid ♣ suit missing a ♠ stopper,(♠xx ♥Kx ♦AQ ♣AKQxxxx) IMO this makes sense, but can it not also be a big ♥ raise.
A reverse to 2♦ as you suggested can still be made! (unless that meaning changes with the intervening 1♠ bid)....it does not for me.
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Posted 2011-June-14, 20:54
I would prefer to play this sequence as a one rnd force still eliciting pard's cooperation. We will go to game if pard can find 2nt, but i will respect a sign-off of 3 cl or 3 hrt with my 18 count. Of course if i bid 4cl or 3 hrt myself at the next turn this is a hand too big to bid 3 hrt or 3 club initially. A lot may depend on how aggressive one's 3 club bid could be, and whether one tends to shade 1 NT hands "up" or, as in my case "down".
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