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Hard Day's Night in São Paulo - Hand 2

Poll: Hard Day's Night in São Paulo - Hand 2 (32 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call? How close is it?

  1. Double, clear-cut (17 votes [53.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.12%

  2. Double, close (11 votes [34.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.38%

  3. Pass, close (3 votes [9.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  4. Pass, clear-cut (1 votes [3.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  5. Other action (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Furlan 

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Posted 2011-December-18, 22:46



What call do you make, and how close is it?
Passers, what's the minimum you'd add so as to Dbl?
Doublers, what's the minimum you'd remove so as to Pass?
Partner, I don't play tempo signals...
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Posted 2011-December-18, 23:14

Clear IMO.
Close to minimum HCP, but the near perfect shape wins the day.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 03:20

If it goes 2♥-P-P- partner will be carrying a reasonable number of hearts, the question I ask myself is if partner is too weak to bid 2N (15-17 ish for us), are we likely have game on ?

In this case it's fairly close, but enough flat 14s will give good play to want to bid it, particularly if partner has 4 spades or the ace of hearts rather than wasted minor honours.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 06:53

pass, my rule of thumb is 10 void, 12 singleton, 14 doubleton, 16 3+
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Posted 2011-December-19, 09:54

double, my rule of thumb is opening hand plus good shape.

Remove the ♣J I'm on the fence. Remove the ♦Q I pass.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 12:29

Pass. Actions in direct seats over preempts should be sound. There are exceptions, but with 9xxx of spades, this is not one of them.
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Posted 2011-December-20, 03:34

Close Dbl for me. Make me vul, or move one of the ♠ to ♦, or remove any HCP, or add a heart and I pass. This is an absolute minimum for dbl imo.
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Posted 2011-December-21, 04:52

Clear-cut double.

The one with shortness in opponent's suit must act. This means you must act NOW.
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Posted 2011-December-23, 19:00

Passers get a second chance: West raises to 3♥, Pass, Pass back to you.
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Posted 2011-December-23, 21:51

Not doubling 2H seems pretty awful to me
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Posted 2011-December-24, 09:21

I would double the 3♥ coming back
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Posted 2011-December-24, 09:48

View PostFurlan, on 2011-December-23, 19:00, said:

Passers get a second chance: West raises to 3♥, Pass, Pass back to you.


If you passed the first time. You really ought to pass again.
Perhaps, the best arguement for acting immediately is to avoid making this decision now.
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Posted 2011-December-28, 21:41


Here's the full hand and how it went at our table. The ♣K was duly onside, making +400 a deserved reward for the good guys.
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Posted 2011-December-29, 10:02

View PostFurlan, on 2011-December-28, 21:41, said:

Here's the full hand and how it went at our table. The ♣K was duly onside, making +400 a deserved reward for the good guys.

Not sure about deserved, it seems to need K♣ in the weak hand and trumps 2-2 as well (or diamonds 3-3 in some lines) on a trump lead.
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Posted 2011-December-31, 03:22


Furlan asks "What call do you make, and how close is it? Passers, what's the minimum you'd add so as to Dbl? Doublers, what's the minimum you'd remove so as to Pass?"

IMO
- After 2♥, Pass = 10, Double = 9
- After 3♥, Double = 10

For a double, I would like a knave more

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Posted 2011-December-31, 03:59

View PostCyberyeti, on 2011-December-29, 10:02, said:

Not sure about deserved, it seems to need K♣ in the weak hand and trumps 2-2 as well (or diamonds 3-3 in some lines) on a trump lead.

But then again, North hardly had a raise to 5♣ - where are his extras? I do prefer a certain +130/150 on offense over an uncertain +50 on defense (wouldn't the ♣A lead get some votes in a poll?). Actually, I do prefer an uncertain +400 on offense over an uncertain +50 on defense!
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