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Poll: Cookie! Om nom nom (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your call?

  1. pass (22 votes [75.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.86%

  2. 1NT (2 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  3. 2C (3 votes [10.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.34%

  4. 2D (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  5. double (1 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  6. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   daveharty 

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Posted 2012-October-08, 06:53



2/1, standardish agreements. Tasty.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 08:20

Looks like a really obvious pass to me. All other calls just look very wrong.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 08:42

This hand is the reason to give up on 1 ♠ shows 5 spades and double 4....
Now you can bid X or 1 ♠ to show the spades and the other bid to show a hand with no clear direction.

Another possibility is to bid 1 NT without a stopper and if they take the first 5 tricks, claim the rest.
if partner has extras, he shall ask you about the stopper on the way to 3 NT- but this is a worse agreement, it simply wrongsides some games.

Without these tools, I would pass with a big sigh to make sure that partner knows that I have a problem hand.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 08:43

I was about to write exactly what Codo said (in his first two lines)
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Posted 2012-October-08, 08:46

 Codo, on 2012-October-08, 08:42, said:

This hand is the reason to give up on 1 ♠ shows 5 spades and double 4....
Now you can bid X or 1 ♠ to show the spades and the other bid to show a hand with no clear direction.

Another possibility is to bid 1 NT without a stopper and if they take the first 5 tricks, claim the rest.
if partner has extras, he shall ask you about the stopper on the way to 3 NT- but this is a worse agreement, it simply wrongsides some games.

Without these tools, I would pass with a big sigh to make sure that partner knows that I have a problem hand.


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Posted 2012-October-08, 08:48

Sure. A value showing double (or 1♠ if you reverse the calls) is perfect for this hand. But those are not the conditions of contest, so one is left with a pass as the only reasonable option.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 08:51

Sure, if double is just a value-showing noise, then fine. But OP did say "standardish agreements."

On the other hand, if 1♥ passes back to partner and he cannot reopen, I don't think we have lost much. (Form of scoring could make a big difference.)
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Posted 2012-October-08, 13:46

Okay, for the passers (I am one), if the auction proceeds (2H)-pass-(pass), now what? Are you selling?
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Posted 2012-October-08, 13:48

Doesn't 2N show (roughly) this hand shape after (2H) p p ?

I'm ready to be wrong, but I don't see what else it could be.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 14:54

I would happily bid 2♣. Sometimes you just have to pass because there is no bid, but KQx of clubs is more than enough for me here. It gets the character of the hand across, and even if we play 2♣ in a 3-3 fit it may not be bad.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 15:33

 655321, on 2012-October-08, 14:54, said:

I would happily bid 2♣. Sometimes you just have to pass because there is no bid, but KQx of clubs is more than enough for me here. It gets the character of the hand across, and even if we play 2♣ in a 3-3 fit it may not be bad.


I was going to bid 2C but I saw a unanimous vote for pass and I was too scared to vote. Now 655321 has bid 2C and I look like I'm parroting.

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Posted 2012-October-08, 16:12

I am happy to get a new chance and would bid 2 NT now, partner will surely understand.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 16:26

i would be happy enough bidding 2c, but prefer passing and backing back in with 2nt.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 17:19

I vote that daveharty has free reign to name all threads as he sees fit.

Codo has it right. I would pass without that agreement but would at least consider 2♣.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 18:24

This hand is a great argument for transfers over interference of our one-openings. When we have a stopper ourselves, it does not matter who declares because the stopper is over the bidder. But if our stopper is Kx with opener then it has to be played by opener.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 18:31

I have no problem passing over 1♥. Maybe it's because I've always done it and I think it has usually worked out fine. I don't like 2♣ personally. It makes me too likely to play in the wrong suit instead of bidding 2NT if 2♥ comes back, which shows pretty much this exact hand. I think the only reason bids like 2♣ work out more than I feel like they should is they cause the opponents to misjudge your trump length.
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Posted 2012-October-08, 18:44

My partner has a 4-3-2-4 12 count and I hope they don't bid game.

OK that's a reach but the hand definitely does not belong to us until further notice and I'm not sending that message to pard who would be full value to compete too high or/and then double something we can't beat.
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Posted 2012-October-09, 05:12

Pass

I'm with Quantumcat. I bid 1♠ with my partners.
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