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Bidding Problem 1NT Opening

Poll: Bidding Problem (12 member(s) have cast votes)

Your bid?

  1. 3NT (10 votes [83.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 83.33%

  2. 4Clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 4Diamonds (2 votes [16.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. 4Hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 4Spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 5Clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 5Diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Raff90 

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Posted 2012-October-24, 08:03

Your partner opens 1NT.
How do you bid following hand:
AQ7
J1094
KT9xxx
Void

At my table it was:
1NT - 2
2 - 3 Asking
3(one 4 card minor ) - 3 asking
3 4 card - whats your bid now?
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Posted 2012-October-24, 08:19

Do you have a way to show 4 and longer in your system?
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Posted 2012-October-24, 08:24

One intriguing option is to just set spades as trumps. 6 might be better than 6 anyway, and 4 might be better than 3NT.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 09:00

I am a simple man. I bid 2 stayman in an effort to find a heart fit, I then bid 3 natural and forcing, implying hearts since I did not transfer to diamonds initially, and then I bid 4 over 3N since I like my spades for spades and don't like my clubs for notrump. A good partner isn't frightened of 4-3 fits.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 09:13

Well thats the problem. we dont know how to show 4 and 6.
3 would be balanced GF with FIT.
For me was actually only one problem.
What does 5 show? I was scared that my partners takes it as exclusion on .
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Posted 2012-October-24, 09:21

The meaning of 1NT - 2; 2 - 3 is balanced with heart fit? That makes little sense to me; if I am wrong on what you wrote then tell us what this would mean please. When I played normal Stayman I used the above sequence for your Baron-style ask (I assume this is what 3 is) and 3 then showed diamonds. One of these has to show the 4M5+ hand unless you get there using an immediate transfer. If your system has no way of showing a basic hand type such as this then I suggest going back to a standard method.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 10:31

View Postmikeh, on 2012-October-24, 09:00, said:

I am a simple man. I bid 2 stayman in an effort to find a heart fit, I then bid 3 natural and forcing, implying hearts since I did not transfer to diamonds initially, and then I bid 4 over 3N since I like my spades for spades and don't like my clubs for notrump. A good partner isn't frightened of 4-3 fits.

You aren't as simple as you think. I think pulling 3NT to 4 is a big mistake for several reasons.

- Doesn't it sound invitational to slam, like a 3451 shaped 14 or 15 count? In fact, I'm pretty much positive that's what it means.
- Partner didn't rebid 3 over 3 so he won't have five spades (that he felt like showing anyway).
- Partner didn't rebid 3 over 3 so he won't be worried about clubs.
- It will be very hard to draw trumps and set up diamonds without losing too many tricks in between. Despite the shortness in the 3 trump hand I do not think this will play well in a 4-3 fit.
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Posted 2012-October-24, 11:05

View Postlalldonn, on 2012-October-24, 10:31, said:

You aren't as simple as you think. I think pulling 3NT to 4 is a big mistake for several reasons.

- Doesn't it sound invitational to slam, like a 3451 shaped 14 or 15 count? In fact, I'm pretty much positive that's what it means.
- Partner didn't rebid 3 over 3 so he won't have five spades (that he felt like showing anyway).
- Partner didn't rebid 3 over 3 so he won't be worried about clubs.
- It will be very hard to draw trumps and set up diamonds without losing too many tricks in between. Despite the shortness in the 3 trump hand I do not think this will play well in a 4-3 fit.


I'd like to add the fact that you may need to ruff clubs with Spade honors.
I'd be much happier in a Moysian holding Axx in Spades and moving that queen into the Diamond suit
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Posted 2012-October-24, 14:14

Well after the 3 response you know that partner has 4-(2/3)-(2/3)-4 has.
Question is 5 exclusion? the reason i bid 4 was that my partner easier understands that ive got .
he bid 4nt and then i rebid 5. we ended up in 6D which we shouldnt have
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Posted 2012-October-26, 12:13

This is an example where I'd much rather show my shape than ask about partner's. The fact that partner has four clubs really helps me not at all; if they are four small clubs then 3NT won't make on a club lead, whereas we might be cold for 6 (or 6). If he has a club holding like AQJx then 3NT is probably the limit of the hand. My preference would be to show my distribution as accurately as possible; in my preferred methods:

1NT - 3(1)
3(2) - 3NT(3)

(1) 3-4, 3-4, 4+, 0-1; basically a three-suiter short in clubs but can be a bit off shape; GF.
(2) Four spades, not four hearts.
(3) No major fit; thus 3451 or 3460 or 3361. Willing to play 3NT if partner has good club cards.

Now partner can pass, or bid 4 to show a really excellent hand for slam (no wasted club values), or otherwise suggest various strains.

If not playing my preferred methods, I will try stayman followed by 3 (natural, forcing to game) and then pass if partner tries 3NT. Hopefully this means he has good clubs since I have shown a whole bunch of red cards.
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Posted 2012-October-26, 16:20

Similar to awm

1N-2S. (size ask/relay)
2N-3D weak, short clubs with 4+ diamonds
3S-3N natural, 3451 or 3460

On the actual auction, I think pass is clear.
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