[mr1303]

You bid 4D as key card for diamonds. Partner responds 4nt showing 2 without the queen. How do you now ask for kings?

In particular, you're dealt:

J
AKQJ8
AQ86
A97

Partner opens 1D, and after a 4th suit auction you've bid 4D as RKCB. How do you continue? You're playing matchpoints in a strong field, so getting to 7NT will be good if you can.

[manudude03]

I play 5C asks for kings. If it was a 4S response, then 5H would have been the king ask (4NT is to play, and 5C is needed as a Q ask)

[Free]

I play step responses once trumps are set and Keycards are asked. So 5♣ asks for Kings. (if partner responded 4M, step 1 asks for trump Q, while step 2 asks for Kings)

[Zelandakh]

5♣ asks for kings, 5NT is a club SSA. The latter might be an option depending on which response scheme you use. This part is easy but it is a good idea to agree if 4NT is counted as step for asks or is natural, as suggested by manudude. The latter tends to be more useful at Pairs while the former is useful at IMPs.

[fromageGB]

I don't play this way, so tell me, if 5♣ asks for kings, if partner has the spade presumably he bids 5♠, but what if he does not, but has the club king? 5NT or 6♣ - would 5NT deny the club king? Or 5♦ deny both?

[JLOGIC]

With this much room you can do a lot of stuff I'm sure, 5D is available as something also, I wouldn't be surprised if using that to show a certain king was correct (5D CK, 5H HK no CK, 5S SK no HK or CK, 5N/6C/6D for no king hands). Zelandakh probably knows the optimal way to play here.

[Codo]

fromageGB, on 2013-March-06, 11:20, said:

I don't play this way, so tell me, if 5♣ asks for kings, if partner has the spade presumably he bids 5♠, but what if he does not, but has the club king? 5NT or 6♣ - would 5NT deny the club king? Or 5♦ deny both?

There are two schemes I am used to. So diamonds are trumps and you ask with 5 club:

1.
5 ♦ no king
5 ♥ heart king 5 spades asks: 5 NT king of spades, 6♣ king of clubs
5 ♠ Spade king, no heart king 5 Nt ask for club king 6 ♣ yes
5 NT club king no major king 6 ♣ anything else?


5 ♦ no king
5 ♥ Heart king or both black kings
5♠ Spade king or heart+ club King
5 NT Club king or major kings

Usually the second scheme works better. I never had a problem here to identify the kings.

[Zelandakh]

JLOGIC, on 2013-March-06, 11:30, said:

With this much room you can do a lot of stuff I'm sure, 5D is available as something also, I wouldn't be surprised if using that to show a certain king was correct (5D CK, 5H HK no CK, 5S SK no HK or CK, 5N/6C/6D for no king hands). Zelandakh probably knows the optimal way to play here.

I do not do anything "clever" here, just use Roland's first scheme because the rules for it are simple and work across other auctions. You are right that 5♦ as no king is probably not optimal though. Your suggestion for 5♦ to show the ♣K looks pretty good to me and makes for an easy rule adjustment that is still portable across all auctions. I might just steal that from you...

If I remember the last discussion we had on this subject, there was a suggestion for using king denials which worked out slightly more efficient than the normal shows; but I did not think the benefit was enough to offset the potential for confusion. I would assume that something like that would be the absolute optimumm here.

[lycier]

After the answer for minorwood,the partner directly cuobid a cheapest suit with King so as to explore slam.
some players also play next suit as Queen ask bid.

[lycier]

I never play king asking bid after a minorwood.
If play that,the methods are at below:
1-if 4♣ is minorwood,5♦ should be a king asking bid.
2-if 4♦ is minorwood,5♥ should be a king asking bid.however 5♣ is a cuebid to show ♣K .
Now I have to say 4nt is a terminal bid to play after respond to a minorwood.

[ucrman]

The 5C bid should ask for the Diamond Q. If partner has the D Queen, then partner also shows Kings. I like the idea of showing one king or two kings (i.e., 5H shows either the H King or the two black Kings; 5S shows either the Spade King or the C and H King; 6C shows either the C king or the S and H king; and 6D shows the D Queen but denies any side King.)

The 5H bid should ask for Kings and shows all the keycards including the D Queen (5NT shows the H King or the two black kings and 6D denies a king).

[manudude03]

ucrman, on 2013-March-08, 11:05, said:

The 5C bid should ask for the Diamond Q.

mr1303, on 2013-March-04, 06:57, said:

You bid 4D as key card for diamonds. Partner responds 4nt showing 2 without the queen. How do you now ask for kings?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

ucrman, on 2013-March-08, 11:05, said:

The 5C bid should ask for the Diamond Q.

That is normally the case.
But here partner replied 4NT = 3rd step , 2 - ♦Q .
'asker':
J
AKQJ8
AQ86
A97
So a cheaper K-ask step is available, namely 5C.
I play it as asking for specific Kings( I think easier on the memory cells )
Replies:
5D = no outside Kings
5H = ♥-K
5S = ♠-K but no ♥K
5NT = ♣-K but no Major K

If partner replied 5S, then 5NT = a 2nd K-ask.
...... 6C would then show the ♣K and you now have enough for a grand slam : 7NT
........... counting 2s, 5h, 4+d, 2c

...... If no ♣K, then 6D would be the reply to the 2nd K-ask .