[rona_]

Posting the link from my hands as it takes me ages to do it here:)

http://online.bridge...php?id=13006757

It turned out fine, but I am not sure opening 1♦ was the right thing to do. I counted 4 losers, and prayed that my partner had spades. I know we should'nt resort to praying when we don't know what to bid I would like to hear how others would bid this hand and why. Thanks in advance to all that help.

[Fluffy]

what you prayed for is that partner had 5 spades, if partner doesnt have ♥ singleton and ♣ control, you will have no chance on 4♠ (to stablish ♦ at least, stablishing ♣ will work though) when partner has only 4 cards.

[rona_]

Thanks Fluffy but what would you bid: Pass, one diamond, 4 diamonds? since opps had slam in hearts.

[EricK]

rona_, on Jan 8 2005, 01:12 PM, said:

Thanks Fluffy but what would you bid: Pass, one diamond, 4 diamonds? since opps had slam in hearts.

I don't think 6♥ makes on a ♣ lead, but the reason it wasn't bid has more to do with the opposition's bidding than with yours.

I wouldn't have opened your hand 1♦. Either pass because of the 4 card ♠ suit or pre-empt. The pre-empt is possibly better as with an 8 card suit you are less likely to want to play in an outside suit, and there is a very good chance that the ops have a high contract available.

I don't understand East's pass on the first round. An immediate 6♥ looks about right.

Eric

[luke warm]

the 4 card spade suit is nice, but i'd still open 3 or 4 ♦ ... that would probably have worked out badly here, but that happens

[pclayton]

1♦ opening is 100% clear to me.

Unlucky you are beating 6♥; 5♠ looks like a nice spot to land.

[aray]

1♦ is perfect. What else in this hand? Well done rona

[mike777]

Wow, lot of interesting issues on this one, thanks.

1) Playing 2/1 light openings easy 1D opener.
2) With a 6 card h suit, outside A, and D void, NV may overcall 1H not 2H here but understand most will bid 2h with this hand. For me this is a super max 2h bid here.
3) like x by N.
4) Pass by east..not me, I need to see if p has the K of clubs not mastermind a 5h double by opp, unlikely with them having no hearts.
5) 2s seems clear here not 3d.
6) nice 5s bid by partner, not that clear after first pass by east but if we assume 9 spades and 11 hearts for 20 total trumps plus a positive one or two adjustment here.

[aray]

just because you told it is silly here is the justification:

You have 8♦ and 4♠ which equal to 12 long suit points
Diffrence between young longest suit ♦ and shortest suit (too short) ♣ is 8-0 =8 and so short suit or distributional point is 8
Total high card strength is 3+2+2+1=8. Nothing to be deducted. all working. so HCP point is =8
You have one control K =1. control point =1

So total 12+8+8+1=29 ZAR points which being > 26 qualifies for one opening..

Offcourse if your partner expects you to produce two defensive tricks and double on that assumption.. you better not open 1♦. Still then 3♦ means putting all the eggs in one basket.. better to pass and hope to jam the bidding later.

Hope, this is not silly?

[flytoox]

I will pass the hand. If you force me to open, then 3D, as jimmy said. I wont open 1D in 2/1. It doesnt maatter you open or not here. I am sure if you open and pd has a gf hand but it goes down due to ur light opening, then pd would have sth to say.

Imagine you passed, west would open 2H, then east will drive it to 6H, now if you double it then it will go down.

Then again, it goes back to the old topic of partnership understanding.

[Fluffy]

I would open 3♦, you have offensive power for 1♦ but not defensive.

[fred]

I have to admit that it would not occur to me to open 1D on this hand, but as I have said in other posts like this:

Nobody knows what is right or wrong, it is a matter for each partnership to decide.

I can handle pass, 4D, and even 5D. I would make my choice based on things like table feel, state of the match, and who I was playing against. I personally think that if you open 1D you might as well open 5D since there is a good chance you will be forced to bid that later (as you will not sit for a penalty double of 4H almost regardless of how the auction goes because partner, who will not play you for a hand like this for a 1D opening, will often misjudge and double 4H when it is cold).

Something else I have said before in a similar post:

I don't like to open the bidding at the 1-level when I have no reason to believe that the opps are not laydown make 7NT

Really all this means is that, to me, this hand lacks the defensive strength that a 1-level opening bid suggests.

One more thing: trying to use Zar points or HCP points or any other kind of points to justify your action on this hand is a very bad idea in my view.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[sceptic]

I would open 4!D my pard would know I had 8 of them and with ur spades I feel you will get a + score (no idea why I think that, would not be the first time my judgement at the tabel has been flawed)

[helium]

fred, on Jan 8 2005, 12:19 PM, said:

I have to admit that it would not occur to me to open 1D on this hand, but as I have said in other posts like this:

I can handle pass, 4D, and even 5D. I would make my choice based on things like table feel, state of the match, and who I was playing against.

personally think that if you open 1D you might as well open 5D since there is a good chance you will be forced to bid that later (as you will not sit for a penalty double of 4H almost regardless of how the auction goes because partner, who will not play you for a hand like this for a 1D opening, will often misjudge and double 4H when it is cold).







One more thing: trying to use Zar points or HCP points or any other kind of points to justify your action on this hand is a very bad idea in my view.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

totally agree:)


kenneth