[lute57]

Actually Shugart23 the Multi 2NT fits in nicely to some Precision systems and it is "fun" to play. To really weigh its value, you need to see how it meshes with the rest of YOUR system.

Of course ACBL, does not allow it - but they do not own the bridge world. I live in the USA and our local bridge club allows it but we have to provide our opponents with a written recommended defense against it and of course we can't use it in any ACBL sanctioned events. So I am lucky to play in a progressive open-minded club.

Will ACBL ever allow it? Only if there are radical changes in its leadership. Too bad the existing leaders are not as open-minded and progressive as the Director at my local club. I should also pass praise to the members who play in my club. They are of the same progressive and open-minded nature as the Director and we have never had anyone object to our use of the Multi 2NT. Too bad there are many others who do not share that view.

Shugart23, if Multi 2NT fits into your system nicely, then play it - it really is fun and that's what bridge should really be about. You can play it in BBO (but not ACBL). As a courtesy to your opponents you may want to offer them a recommended written defense to use against it if they desire (we want them to enjoy bridge, too!).

Lute

[FM75]

LOL.
John and I play this (online). I am not near his local club...

2NT
(a) 5-9 points and at least 5-5 in the Minors, or
(b) 11-15 and exactly 5-5 in the Majors, or
c)A 3-level pre-empt in Clubs

But that is predicated on all 1 level openings except 1 club showing 10-15 (10-12 1N nv, 13-15 1N vul, 5cM 11-15 1M, 1D, all other.)

And we have discovery bids for responder after the 2N.

http://pigpen.org.uk/BBO/2n.php

The system is not for the faint of heart, nor partners unwilling to spend hours confirming that they understand it.

[BillHiggin]

FM75, on 2013-July-29, 21:24, said:

LOL.
John and I play this (online). I am not near his local club...

2NT
(a) 5-9 points and at least 5-5 in the Minors, or
(b) 11-15 and exactly 5-5 in the Majors, or
c)A 3-level pre-empt in Clubs

But that is predicated on all 1 level openings except 1 club showing 10-15 (10-12 1N nv, 13-15 1N vul, 5cM 11-15 1M, 1D, all other.)

And we have discovery bids for responder after the 2N.

http://pigpen.org.uk/BBO/2n.php

The system is not for the faint of heart, nor partners unwilling to spend hours confirming that they understand it.

Note that this scheme is "brown sticker", so it is restricted in many non ACBL events. In fact, if you qualify for a WBF world championship, you may not use this in the preliminary round robin rounds (but you can use it in the knockout rounds - though you will forfeit all seating rights)
There is an individual who actually teaches this and another brown sticker convention (3D showing a prempt in any suit) to intermediate level players. He names both with the "multi" prefix and then pretends that that makes things all ok (the multi 2D/2H convention is explicitly exempted from brown sticker status). Of course, these students get fantastic results mot of the time when these come up (can you say "bunny killer" - these students are not playing against experienced opposition in general)

[Shugart23]

lute57, on 2013-July-29, 19:59, said:

Actually Shugart23 the Multi 2NT fits in nicely to some Precision systems and it is "fun" to play. To really weigh its value, you need to see how it meshes with the rest of YOUR system.

Of course ACBL, does not allow it - but they do not own the bridge world. I live in the USA and our local bridge club allows it but we have to provide our opponents with a written recommended defense against it and of course we can't use it in any ACBL sanctioned events. So I am lucky to play in a progressive open-minded club.

Will ACBL ever allow it? Only if there are radical changes in its leadership. Too bad the existing leaders are not as open-minded and progressive as the Director at my local club. I should also pass praise to the members who play in my club. They are of the same progressive and open-minded nature as the Director and we have never had anyone object to our use of the Multi 2NT. Too bad there are many others who do not share that view.

Shugart23, if Multi 2NT fits into your system nicely, then play it - it really is fun and that's what bridge should really be about. You can play it in BBO (but not ACBL). As a courtesy to your opponents you may want to offer them a recommended written defense to use against it if they desire (we want them to enjoy bridge, too!).

Lute

I have wanted to play this mult- 2NT and multi-2D but have thought why go through all the energy when I can't use it. Maybe I should rethink this and see if my club director will allow it.

[Free]

BillHiggin, on 2013-July-29, 23:42, said:

Note that this scheme is "brown sticker", so it is restricted in many non ACBL events. In fact, if you qualify for a WBF world championship, you may not use this in the preliminary round robin rounds (but you can use it in the knockout rounds - though you will forfeit all seating rights)

Please inform yourself better, because this is NOT brown sticker. BSC apply to the weak options of an opening. In each of the weak openings ♣ are known, so there's no unknown suit there. 11-15 is constructive and therefore doesn't apply to the rules of a known suit.

[PhilKing]

Free, on 2013-August-01, 23:36, said:

Please inform yourself better, because this is NOT brown sticker. BSC apply to the weak options of an opening. In each of the weak openings ♣ are known, so there's no unknown suit there. 11-15 is constructive and therefore doesn't apply to the rules of a known suit.

THe reg says the non-weak option needs to be at least a king above average. Whether 5-5 distribution and 11 points qualifies is a moot point.

[Free]

PhilKing, on 2013-August-02, 06:00, said:

THe reg says the non-weak option needs to be at least a king above average. Whether 5-5 distribution and 11 points qualifies is a moot point.

Ok you're right. WBF regulations aren't what they used to be apparently...

Funny though, in Belgium we use WBF definitions of systems, but somehow the "King above average" was lost in translation and is replaced by "opening strength" (= rule of 18).

[gordontd]

PhilKing, on 2013-August-02, 06:00, said:

THe reg says the non-weak option needs to be at least a king above average. Whether 5-5 distribution and 11 points qualifies is a moot point.

It says that for a strong hand the high-card strength needs to be a king above average. So, 13 points on the Milton Work count, 21 on the Bamberger.

Re-edited! I think the regulation could be worded more clearly, and Phil was right all along about what it says, though not about the value of "a king above average" being moot!

This post has been edited by gordontd: 2013-August-02, 07:58

[gordontd]

PhilKing, on 2013-August-02, 06:00, said:

THe reg says the non-weak option needs to be at least a king above average. Whether 5-5 distribution and 11 points qualifies is a moot point.

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[msjennifer]

I am of the opinion that all these complicated conventions which are meant to totally confuse everyday-bridge players be banned in BBO and such other games arranged for non-professional players.Let the Professionals play such conventions as their opponents know how to nullify these,but let the innocent amateur ladies and gentlemen play the simple game and enjoy it.I entirely agree with the hosts who ban such artificial bids in the homely tournaments.

[the hog]

msjennifer, I suggest you take up tiddleywinks. Do you play golf? Perhaps the holes should be a maximum of 50 metres from the tee?

[Fluffy]

don't know what your 3♣ opening is, but I would much rather play 2NT = 3♣ opening or majors, and 3♣ = minors or clubs.

[BillHiggin]

Fluffy, on 2013-August-03, 19:39, said:

don't know what your 3♣ opening is, but I would much rather play 2NT = 3♣ opening or majors, and 3♣ = minors or clubs.

retracted

[Free]

I wish some "everyday-bridge players" would open their eyes for once, instead of considering everything they don't know to be "confusing".