[Jinksy]

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Simple question - who underbid their hand (the most)?

[sfi]

Jinksy, on 2013-November-26, 04:55, said:

Simple question - who underbid their hand (the most)?

Pass over 2D is indefensible, so East.

[WellSpyder]

sfi, on 2013-November-26, 05:04, said:

Pass over 2D is indefensible, so East.

I tend to agree. I wonder whether we can attach some blame to South, too, though - how many people would pass with that hand?

[WGF_Flame]

hard to say who did most, and i think its not important.
Both east and west (and also south) should have bid one more time then they did.

btw, 3nt makes but you are more likely to go down in 4 hearts with these hands.

[helene_t]

West was merely very conservative while East was surely asleep.

But as WGF notes, you would probably have got -100 instead of -90 if East had been awake.

[PhilKing]

I don't think West was conservative - the ♦K looks useless and pard can be expected to compete to 2M if he has a pulse.

Over the obvious 2♥, I would content myself with a raise to three, and then he has an easy 3NT call.

[Hanoi5]

East should bid 2♥, that's what h was going to bid anyway had North passed. I also think West could have doubled again, but East had the first chance.

[dake50]

Was that 1D under "rule of 19" under what sanctioning body?
Very divergent from "rule of 20" even - mostly allowed in ACBL.
Do they often open this light? Do they often pass with 5 hcp and 4-5MM?
Quite unusual opening/responding methods. Even suggesting a psych fielded.
Surely 2H > 2D, then surely another move from West -
I would try 3D to keep 3Nt in the picture on this heavy stops bal hand.
But won't argue against 3H.
Why not 1Nt: 12-17 with a stop in passout seat instead of Dbl.
Hard to crime E-W methods unable to see game-on here. Too rare an auction!

[billw55]

Agree that east is the biggest underbidder - 2♥ is 100%. South also underbid modestly, and west barely at all. North perhaps overbid.

[Fluffy]

I disagree with all and think it is West who underbid, a balancing double shows like 8+, he surely has enough extras for another action.

I would never jump with East´s hand to 2♥, a 10 count after a balancing double is about average.

[helene_t]

Fluffy: 2h is not a jump. It's a free bid
Edit:sorry, didnt see Hanoi's comment.

[MickyB]

Hanoi5, on 2013-November-26, 06:55, said:

East should bid 2♥, that's what h was going to bid anyway had North passed.

Fluffy, on 2013-November-28, 00:17, said:

I would never jump with East´s hand to 2♥, a 10 count after a balancing double is about average.

[WellSpyder]

dake50, on 2013-November-26, 08:59, said:

Was that 1D under "rule of 19" under what sanctioning body?
Very divergent from "rule of 20" even - mostly allowed in ACBL.
Do they often open this light? Do they often pass with 5 hcp and 4-5MM?
Quite unusual opening/responding methods. Even suggesting a psych fielded.

NS were playing Precision, with rule of 19 openings fairly normal. The limited nature of the opening bid also means responder may pass with hands that would bid playing Standard American, Acol, or whatever. I don't think this particular pair promised any diamonds at all for the opening bid, though, so south must have been tempted to see whether he could improve the contract.

(I held the north hand at the other table, and also opened 1♦ playing a limited opening bid system - usually 3+ diamonds. My partner responded 1♥, and EW had no difficulty reaching 3N rather than 4♥.)

[the hog]

Agree with phil. 2h is obvious. Disagree with fluffy. I would bid 2h even without intervention. You have been reading too much Lewis Carroll.

[the_clown]

Without the intervention I think 1N is more appealing. I never liked jumping on a poor 4 card suit when my partner has made a t/o double of 1m. If I feel strong enough I cue and then try to find a fit or I just bid 1M with anything up to decent 9-10 HCP. Partner will raise holding 4card support and anything more than a minimum.