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Rate this T/O DBL 8 hcp

#1 User is offline   TWO4BRIDGE 

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Posted 2014-April-13, 15:56

2S ( weak ) - DBL

Doubler's hand:
♠ void
♥ Q 9 7 6 5 4
♦ J 6 2
♣ A J 9 2
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Posted 2014-April-13, 16:37

1/10

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Posted 2014-April-13, 17:32

Consider switching to booze (beer and wine are more gentle) cause those hard drugs are going to hurt you. An intervention is required.
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Posted 2014-April-13, 17:43

before making a TOX remember that p will sometimes convert it to penalty
by passing. I am sure you would agree that your hand has almost none of
the requirements for defense so it is probably in your partnership best
interest to take another course of action. I would try pass:)
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Posted 2014-April-13, 17:59

I'm rating this a P for Phooey!
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Posted 2014-April-13, 18:15

This is a time to change partners double. If my regular partner doubled with this hand, I would serious consider finding a new regular partner.
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Posted 2014-April-13, 18:19

I think it is time to change partners. This one seems clueless.
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Posted 2014-April-13, 18:42

LOL if a bid must be made here (it shouldn't be) I prefer 3♥ with my 6 carder to double. 3♥ is bad, double is really bad.
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Posted 2014-April-13, 18:46

3/10, 2 extra points because you have support for all the unbid suits.
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Posted 2014-April-13, 19:57

Two4's partner read somewhere that the guy with the shortness is the one who must act. He really should stop reading.
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Posted 2014-April-13, 23:51

0/10
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Posted 2014-April-14, 03:23

It makes sense as a "stolen bid" double, saying "I wanted to preempt".
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Posted 2014-April-14, 03:47

I knew I was going to vote 0 even before I saw the hand :)
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Posted 2014-April-14, 05:11

It's a great dbl... IF pard can support a suit. If he happens to pass, oh well.

Since the likelihood of pass seems high, I would rate it as "risky". Something like 4/10 if you want a figure.

Usually the shorter you are in opps suit, the more urgent it is to act. But let's not take a good idea too far.
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Posted 2014-April-14, 05:15

It's a lot better than doubling 6H in the other topic. At least here there are a few potential winning scenarios (many hands with heart or club fits will wind up fine). However, there will be too many times when partner either passes or bids 3NT. In either of these cases your hand will be a real disappointment and you could lose quite a bit.

At least as important is that partner may start skewing their bids if they no longer know what to expect from your double, and that could lead to losing choices even on the hands where you have a normal takeout double and the normal action would have given you a good score.
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Posted 2014-April-14, 05:16

Let me guess, KQJx, KJx, xx, xxxx -1070 ?

It's a horrible double, 1/10
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Posted 2014-April-14, 05:44

View Postwhereagles, on 2014-April-14, 05:11, said:

It's a great dbl...


We found Two4's pd Aguaman!
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Posted 2014-April-14, 08:54

I was the weak-2S opening bidder....
Opps could make 4H, but ♥ were never mentioned.
I couldn't believe the T/O DBL ... but I wanted to make sure here .
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Posted 2014-April-15, 22:12

It's never a T/O double.

A partnership needs to have some reasonable expectations about what partner has in competitive situations in order to be successful. As others have pointed out, this hand has no where near the defensive values required should partner pass.

Worse yet, should doubler's partner make a minimum advancing bid something like 3 ♦, doubler can't show the ♥ suit and could miss a 9 or 10 card ♥ fit.

My guess would be that this double was made by a novice player. If not, I'd rate the call H for Hopeless.
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Posted 2014-April-16, 03:14

Pass is not going to help you find the heart fit either. My choice would be to pass (second choice 3♥) but whatever we do, there is a really big chance that the preempt worked.
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