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Bid game or penalty pass?
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Posted 2016-June-19, 06:13
IMP pairs.
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Posted 2016-June-19, 08:16
It's close but I would pass. 4h doesn't rate to be too clever if p is say 4315 and with our hand we could be absolutely creaming 4d
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Posted 2016-June-19, 13:52
eagles123, on 2016-June-19, 08:16, said:
It's close but I would pass. 4h doesn't rate to be too clever if p is say 4315 and with our hand we could be absolutely creaming 4d
Indeed, but it would also help to know who is vulnerable.
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Posted 2016-June-19, 16:08
maartenxq, on 2016-June-19, 13:52, said:
Indeed, but it would also help to know who is vulnerable.
You can see the colours in the diagram.
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Posted 2016-June-19, 18:47
Pass. To me it isn't that close, even at these colors: we will set them and we may not have a game. At equal vul, it would be a no-brainer: if we can make game when I am this flat, they will be down for more than the game.
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Posted 2016-June-19, 22:34
PASS,agree it is not close.
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Posted 2016-June-20, 02:56
eagles123, on 2016-June-19, 08:16, said:
It's close but I would pass. 4h doesn't rate to be too clever if p is say 4315 and with our hand we could be absolutely creaming 4d
I agree with you it's close, it wouldn't totally surprise me if the layout was something like:
where 4♦ and 4♥ both make, but I think I'd pass
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Posted 2016-June-20, 05:18
Cyberyeti, on 2016-June-20, 02:56, said:
I agree with you it's close, it wouldn't totally surprise me if the layout was something like:
where 4♦ and 4♥ both make, but I think I'd pass
where 4♦ and 4♥ both make, but I think I'd pass
Even then, 4 hearts is not so secure. Increase the value of North's heart pips and I think the heart contract will fail on a forcing defence?
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Posted 2016-June-20, 05:30
Tramticket, on 2016-June-20, 05:18, said:
Even then, 4 hearts is not so secure. Increase the value of North's heart pips and I think the heart contract will fail on a forcing defence?
On the other hand, have the majors split more nicely and give West the ♣Q and now 6 of either major looks pretty good. Which only goes to show that picking out individual hands is a mugs' game.
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Posted 2016-June-20, 05:57
yes, of course. They pre-empt to make life difficult for us.
My "best guess" is that passing the vdouble will be the long-term winner.
My "best guess" is that passing the vdouble will be the long-term winner.
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Posted 2016-June-20, 06:00
Tramticket, on 2016-June-20, 05:18, said:
Even then, 4 hearts is not so secure. Increase the value of North's heart pips and I think the heart contract will fail on a forcing defence?
yes but it's better than 4♦X=
and what are they forcing you in, the diamond hand doesn't lead again after putting K♦ on the table
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Posted 2016-June-20, 11:06
The full hand:
I passed, and thought at the time it had led to a bad result, though it turns out it was almost flat (0.1 to us).
4♦ was one off, 4♥ takes some work from declarer on a black suit lead, but I think you should probably make it either on an endplay or just setting up the clubs for a spade pitch.
I passed, and thought at the time it had led to a bad result, though it turns out it was almost flat (0.1 to us).
4♦ was one off, 4♥ takes some work from declarer on a black suit lead, but I think you should probably make it either on an endplay or just setting up the clubs for a spade pitch.
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Posted 2016-June-20, 16:37
Jinksy, on 2016-June-20, 11:06, said:
I passed, and thought at the time it had led to a bad result, though it turns out it was almost flat (0.1 to us).
4♦ was one off, 4♥ takes some work from declarer on a black suit lead, but I think you should probably make it either on an endplay or just setting up the clubs for a spade pitch.
You find 5 cards ♥ and a decent 14 hcp, yet you are talking about endplays, squeezes. This alone explains why pass was correct action. Try both 4♦ doubled and 4♥ in the deal below.
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Posted 2016-June-23, 18:26
Jinksy, on 2016-June-20, 11:06, said:
The full hand:
I passed, and thought at the time it had led to a bad result, though it turns out it was almost flat (0.1 to us).
4♦ was one off, 4♥ takes some work from declarer on a black suit lead, but I think you should probably make it either on an endplay or just setting up the clubs for a spade pitch.
I passed, and thought at the time it had led to a bad result, though it turns out it was almost flat (0.1 to us).
4♦ was one off, 4♥ takes some work from declarer on a black suit lead, but I think you should probably make it either on an endplay or just setting up the clubs for a spade pitch.
The hand that they opened 4D with shows that your pass is definitely right IMO. The more aggro the w/r 4D bidder is likely to be the better passing is. I totally agree with opening 4D with that hand FWIW, and I hate when my opps pass the X with hands like this
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