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Raise, rebid, or reverse?

Poll: KTx KQ9 AKT9xx x (55 member(s) have cast votes)

1D-1S-? Your rebid

  1. 2D (12 votes [21.82%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.82%

  2. 2H (19 votes [34.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.55%

  3. 2S (6 votes [10.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.91%

  4. 3D (14 votes [25.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.45%

  5. 3S (2 votes [3.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

  6. Other (2 votes [3.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.64%

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#21 User is offline   marklaf 

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Posted 2018-May-14, 00:29

The problem with a reverse is you cannot stop at 3 diamonds---there is no trouble converting heart to spades. If you rebid 3 diamonds over 2nt(NF) then I think 2 hearts is clear. If you do not have that agreement you make your best guess. I would be aggressive at imps but that is just me.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 00:34

View Posttritonium, on 2018-May-14, 00:01, said:

The majority selected 3!d. However, I would take that as a weak preempt.

You would be wrong to do that. In any system.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 02:41

View Postmarklaf, on 2018-May-14, 00:29, said:

The problem with a reverse is you cannot stop at 3 diamonds---there is no trouble converting heart to spades. If you rebid 3 diamonds over 2nt(NF) then I think 2 hearts is clear. If you do not have that agreement you make your best guess. I would be aggressive at imps but that is just me.


You can also stop if you play a lebensohl style arrangement over a reverse, and partner bids the "bad 3". The issue is at pairs that you can't play in spades in that situation which may score more when partner has 53.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 02:47



You are all getting too excited. Partner may well have scraped together a response. He can bid again with a decent hand. Here he can pass 2 and get an easy top in this room.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 03:29

View Postnekthen, on 2018-May-14, 02:47, said:



You are all getting too excited. Partner may well have scraped together a response. He can bid again with a decent hand. Here he can pass 2 and get an easy top in this room.

Sure, ..., but you will hopefully agree, that there are other hands, when game makes and 2D gets passed out.
Playing light reverses, light 3D rebids, for me the hand is strong enough to go with 3D, if your requirements
are higher, go with 2D. Be happy if you are the only one in 2D=, but hopefully you know, you will once in a
while be the only one, not in 3NT=.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 03:46

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2018-May-14, 03:29, said:

Sure, ..., but you will hopefully agree, that there are other hands, when game makes and 2D gets passed out.
Playing light reverses, light 3D rebids, for me the hand is strong enough to go with 3D, if your requirements
are higher, go with 2D. Be happy if you are the only one in 2D=, but hopefully you know, you will once in a
while be the only one, not in 3NT=.


Bridge is always a balance of probabilities. Yes, once in a while, I will lose. IMO I will win more often than I will lose and that is what matters. Also my partner will strain harder to bid again because the top end of my 2 is known to be high.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 03:54

View Postnekthen, on 2018-May-14, 03:46, said:

Bridge is always a balance of probabilities. Yes, once in a while, I will lose. IMO I will win more often than I will lose and that is what matters.


yes.

View Postnekthen, on 2018-May-14, 03:46, said:

Also my partner will strain harder to bid again because the top end of my 2 is known to be high.


which may result in going down more often.
But most important is, what works and with what one feels happy.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 03:59

View Postnekthen, on 2018-May-14, 02:47, said:



You are all getting too excited. Partner may well have scraped together a response. He can bid again with a decent hand. Here he can pass 2 and get an easy top in this room.


Partner's hand was actually AQxxx, Jxx, x, xxxx you made 2, unfortunately opps made 4
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Posted 2018-May-14, 04:32

A 1D opening CAN be a prepared bid. The hand does not have enough strength either to reverse with a Bid of 2H or bid a false 2S.It is not good enough to rebid3D just now.The hand is a normal11/15 HCP hand.Game is not possible unless partner can make a bid over 2D.Considering all these points my bid is a straightforward 2D.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 04:41

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-May-14, 03:59, said:

Partner's hand was actually AQxxx, Jxx, x, xxxx you made 2, unfortunately opps made 4

Sir,and on which sequence did they reach 4S?Do you FULLY agree with the sequence?
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Posted 2018-May-14, 05:06

View Postmsjennifer, on 2018-May-14, 04:41, said:

Sir,and on which sequence did they reach 4S?Do you FULLY agree with the sequence?


1d-1s-2h-2s-3s-4s would be pretty routine with that holding, for those of us willing to reverse.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 05:11

View Postrbforster, on 2018-May-13, 07:52, said:

Tough IMPs game, uncontested auction. You open 1 and partner responds 1. What's your rebid?

KTx
KQ9
AKT9xx
x

Discussion welcome. I made my choice and subsequently wondered if I could have chosen better.


2 Yes you have 15 hcp but it doesn't merit a double jump in diamonds. You can't raise the spades as you only have three and partner
might only have a 4 card suit and a 4-3 fit in a major is not a consummation devoutly to be wished.. Bidding NTs is taboo because of the singleton. You can't reverse as you have the
neither the pointage(16+minimum) nor the distribution(5-4 minimum) to satisfy the requirements for a reverse.
All in all it comes down to a process of elimination. If Partner has anything further to say,he will bid again and you can then evaluate the situation in the
light of what that rebid is.For the present,you've done what you were asked to do,keep the bidding open to give partner a chance to further describe his hand
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Posted 2018-May-14, 05:27

View Postmsjennifer, on 2018-May-14, 04:41, said:

Sir,and on which sequence did they reach 4S?Do you FULLY agree with the sequence?


I should probably have added a meaningless J to the small hand, I would open the big hand a strong club (the intermediates and suit mean I treat it as 16) and then give a 1 positive response FG.

It's easy enough to get there in a competitive auction as you can appreciate the lack of club wastage, more difficult unopposed. 1-(2)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3 (middle way of 3 of bidding spades)-P-4 gets there without a particularly optimistic view, I might even show it as the best way of bidding spades in the context of being unable to X or bid 2 first time.

I've also played in partnerships where we would open the small hand 2 which would probably get there.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:04

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-May-14, 03:59, said:

Partner's hand was actually AQxxx, Jxx, x, xxxx you made 2, unfortunately opps made 4


My partner would rebid his excellent spade suit
1 1
2 2
4
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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:20

View Postnekthen, on 2018-May-14, 07:04, said:

My partner would rebid his excellent spade suit
1 1
2 2
4


If I did that, partner would have a 1453 11 count (we play weak NT so a 1N rebid not an option).
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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:27

Of course it does not need wisdom to construct hypothetical imaginary hands to justify ones bids.It is very easy to say “if partner has this and partner has that then we make” .It is a big relief to see that quite a few have made the same 2D bid.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:27

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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:29

View Postnekthen, on 2018-May-14, 07:04, said:

My partner would rebid his excellent spade suit
1 1
2 2
4


Except this time partner had x AQxx KQJTxx xx and you go like down 3 in 2s instead of making 2d.

It's standard for rebidding 2M over a 2m rebid to show 6, not just 5 carder.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:39

View PostCyberyeti, on 2018-May-14, 05:27, said:

I should probably have added a meaningless J to the small hand, I would open the big hand a strong club (the intermediates and suit mean I treat it as 16) and then give a 1 positive response FG.

It's easy enough to get there in a competitive auction as you can appreciate the lack of club wastage, more difficult unopposed. 1-(2)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3 (middle way of 3 of bidding spades)-P-4 gets there without a particularly optimistic view, I might even show it as the best way of bidding spades in the context of being unable to X or bid 2 first time.

I've also played in partnerships where we would open the small hand 2 which would probably get there.

Agree to disagree.
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Posted 2018-May-14, 07:39

View PostStephen Tu, on 2018-May-14, 05:06, said:

1d-1s-2h-2s-3s-4s would be pretty routine with that holding, for those of us willing to reverse.


So routine, in fact, that I am surprised there is any disagreement about this sequence.
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