[mayoutu]

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Do you agree with the bidding? Is it possible to reach 6♦ or 6♣?

[Cyberyeti]

Why preempt your partner when they're already short of space to describe their hand ? This is a really poor system unless 3♠ is VERY tightly defined

That said I think I'm probably just bidding 6♣ with the north hand unless anything strange happens, I need only ♦J, stiff diamond and 2 or more clubs, doubleton diamond and 10♣ or any 3+ diamonds for it to be decent.

2♣-2♦(neg)
4♣(solid suit)-4♠(cue)
6♣

Would be my auction

[msjennifer]

Sir,
Our bidding would go (on this hand) 2♣-2♦-4♣(asking to show any specific ACE/ACES)-5♣(No ACE)-6♣.If just by the luck on some other responders hand he bids 4hearts] Showing the heart ACE,then 7♣.And if he shows the spade instead by bidding 4♠ then sign off again in 6♣.IF he bids 5♠ showing ♠and ♥ ACES then 7NT.
However I do not think that WEST will allow the bidding to go so smoothly in this deal.A sacrifice in 6♥ is quite likely.
Thanks.

[pescetom]

I would open 4nt if that is a specific Ace ask. Otherwise the auction of cyberyeti.

[Cyberyeti]

pescetom, on 2020-September-26, 11:48, said:

I would open 4nt if that is a specific Ace ask. Otherwise the auction of cyberyeti.

How to get S to play 6♣ which might cause a bit of head scratching when others see the result

[johnu]

mayoutu, on 2020-September-26, 08:01, said:

Do you agree with the bidding? Is it possible to reach 6♦ or 6♣?

Just bid 6♣ with the North hand after South rebids 4♠. How are you expecting South to help you make a decision on this auction? Sometimes you just have to take a plunge.

[Vampyr]

I abstain, I never would have started from there.

[mayoutu]

Cyberyeti, on 2020-September-26, 08:16, said:

Why preempt your partner when they're already short of space to describe their hand ? This is a really poor system unless 3♠ is VERY tightly defined

That said I think I'm probably just bidding 6♣ with the north hand unless anything strange happens, I need only ♦J, stiff diamond and 2 or more clubs, doubleton diamond and 10♣ or any 3+ diamonds for it to be decent.

2♣-2♦(neg)
4♣(solid suit)-4♠(cue)
6♣

Would be my auction

Is cue bid with King acceptable? If S cues with ♥ and N bids 7 that would be a disaster.

[mayoutu]

msjennifer, on 2020-September-26, 10:14, said:

Sir,
Our bidding would go (on this hand) 2♣-2♦-4♣(asking to show any specific ACE/ACES)-5♣(No ACE)-6♣.If just by the luck on some other responders hand he bids 4hearts] Showing the heart ACE,then 7♣.And if he shows the spade instead by bidding 4♠ then sign off again in 6♣.IF he bids 5♠ showing ♠and ♥ ACES then 7NT.
However I do not think that WEST will allow the bidding to go so smoothly in this deal.A sacrifice in 6♥ is quite likely.
Thanks.

Thanks. The advantage of bidding 3♠ may be to shut West. I read a fairly new book on natural bidding system and it says 3♥/♠ shows weak hand with long major, but it might be old fashioned. I don't see it in Bridge World Standard or SAYC.

[johnu]

mayoutu, on 2020-September-27, 02:13, said:

Thanks. The advantage of bidding 3♠ may be to shut West. I read a fairly new book on natural bidding system and it says 3♥/♠ shows weak hand with long major, but it might be old fashioned. I don't see it in Bridge World Standard or SAYC.

In Bridge World Standard, a response of 3♥ to 4♦ shows a one loser suit.

[apollo1201]

mayoutu, on 2020-September-27, 02:13, said:

Thanks. The advantage of bidding 3♠ may be to shut West. I read a fairly new book on natural bidding system and it says 3♥/♠ shows weak hand with long major, but it might be old fashioned. I don't see it in Bridge World Standard or SAYC.

When partner opens 2C, you usually don’t care shutting out opps...

For this method to be good, you need a good suit quality. KQTxxx as a real min. Kinda playable for 1 loser facing a singleton honor or a small doubleton.

With that hand, it is unlikely partner has a ~25 HCP balanced hand but rates to have a big 1 (or 2) suiter. And your suit is not that strong. So you are virtually taking all the space to let partner introduce his 1st suit at the 4 level.

In all cases, I’m just bidding 6C as N.

[Cyberyeti]

mayoutu, on 2020-September-27, 02:09, said:

Is cue bid with King acceptable? If S cues with ♥ and N bids 7 that would be a disaster.

It depends on what you agree with partner, clearly if partner cues in hearts, you will use blackwood to see if it's A or K. Both methods have merit, void, Ax, AKQJ, AKQJxxx you would like pard to cue the K. If all partner needs is an ace, he can open 4N so we prefer to cue kings here.

[mayoutu]

apollo1201, on 2020-September-27, 02:42, said:

When partner opens 2C, you usually don’t care shutting out opps...

For this method to be good, you need a good suit quality. KQTxxx as a real min. Kinda playable for 1 loser facing a singleton honor or a small doubleton.

With that hand, it is unlikely partner has a ~25 HCP balanced hand but rates to have a big 1 (or 2) suiter. And your suit is not that strong. So you are virtually taking all the space to let partner introduce his 1st suit at the 4 level.

In all cases, I’m just bidding 6C as N.

The book says 3♥/♠ shows weak 7-suit with <8 HCP. It gives an example for 3♠: ♠ Q1098432 ♥ 94 ♦ Q3 ♣ J4. Since slam chance is small, opener usually bids game (stop) or new suit (forcing). For example, after 2♣-3♥:
1) ♠ AK83 ♥ A ♦ AQ83 ♣ KQJ2
2) ♠ AKQJ842 ♥ - ♦ QJ1092 ♣ A
With 1), bid 4♥; with 2), bid 3♠.

With 8+ HCP and a major with two of AKQ, it suggests 2♥/♠.

[Vampyr]

mayoutu, on 2020-September-27, 21:48, said:

The book says 3♥/♠ shows weak 7-suit with <8 HCP. It gives an example for 3♠: ♠ Q1098432 ♥ 94 ♦ Q3 ♣ J4. Since slam chance is small, opener usually bids game (stop) or new suit (forcing). For example, after 2♣-3♥:
1) ♠ AK83 ♥ A ♦ AQ83 ♣ KQJ2
2) ♠ AKQJ842 ♥ - ♦ QJ1092 ♣ A
With 1), bid 4♥; with 2), bid 3♠.

With 8+ HCP and a major with two of AKQ, it suggests 2♥/♠.

Throw away the book.