[helene_t]

Solitaire.

1♦-(1♠)-2♣-(pass)
2♥
is apparently 12-20 HCPs and partner may pass it.

[pilowsky]

In solitaire nobody can hear you scream.
That is my experience of how GIB bids also.
Is that not how it is typically played?

[smerriman]

Having 2♥ non-forcing is fine, but the definition should definitely constrain it to being a minimum.

[Douglas43]

I suppose it is a hazard of 5cm / strong NT that you may be stuck bidding 2♥ with a weak hand that has 4 hearts, 3 diamonds, no spade stop and inadequate club support. But why on earth would bidding 2♣ not promise another bid?

[helene_t]

Douglas43, on 2022-February-20, 04:03, said:

I suppose it is a hazard of 5cm / strong NT that you may be stuck bidding 2♥ with a weak hand that has 4 hearts, 3 diamonds, no spade stop and inadequate club support. But why on earth would bidding 2♣ not promise another bid?

Usually, you will either have a spade stopper or 3-card club support, or your diamonds are AKJT which looks like a 5-card suit. Or partner is a passed hand so you just pass.

With xxx-AKQx-Qxxx-Jx I will just have to choose my poison.

So I think that 2♥ actually shows extras. But maybe I am wrong. I haven't discussed it seriously with anyone.

[smerriman]

https://www.advinbri...k-in-bridge/342 appears to be how GIB is playing it.

[smerriman]

Douglas43, on 2022-February-20, 04:03, said:

But why on earth would bidding 2♣ not promise another bid?

Well, even in Bridge World Standard a 2 level freebid doesn't promise another bid - it only forces through to 2 of opener's suit. Unclear whether they play 2♥ as forcing though.

It's quite a different situation to say, a SAYC 2/1 without interference, as your natural rebid there may be NT which could be taken away here without a stopper. And opener also has the new option of forcing with 2♠. I might poll to see how others play 2♥ as I don't know what's standard either. Probably forcing but some hands seem tricky.

[smerriman]

Well, the polls didn't help clarify anything for me at all.

100% of voters said 2♥ was forcing.

Yet the vast majority of voters also voted 2♥ with your xxx-AKQx-Qxxx-Jx hand.

And nearly everyone continued with a (surely game-forcing) 2♠ as responder with a minimum 3325.

[helene_t]

smerriman, on 2022-February-20, 19:59, said:

And nearly everyone continued with a (surely game-forcing) 2♠ as responder with a minimum 3325.

I don't see why 2♠ should be GF (if we aren't in a GF already). It is the cheapest bid available so it makes sense to play it as ostensibly scrambling.

Besides, if I want to win the post-mortem I can always say that Ingberman applies here