What does 2C over a 1NT response mean in SAYC?
#1
Posted 2025-July-28, 08:15
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
#3
Posted 2025-July-28, 08:28
#4
Posted 2025-July-28, 08:33
At the beginner level I think we are commonly taught to strain to rebid. Most hands with 8(+) HCP should try to move, for fear that opener has a 17+ hand and game is still possible. In fact, personally I'd also stretch the 2♣ rebid to include some 18-point hands and possibly some 19-counts too, but now we're getting well past the beginner level.
Personally I think this is so-so advice. It's actually quite far against the odds to strain this much to keep things open, and we might very easily get too high with 8-opposite-13 or the likes. There is a very common fear of missing a making game, and people will go to serious lengths to avoid that risk - incurring other, potentially greater, risks in the process.
Personally I would pass with most hands with 7 HCP, 4 clubs and at most 2 diamonds. If you had a third diamond that would change the situation considerably. Unfortunately you did not list this in the original post. I'd be curious to see what the full deal was.
Now there are some details about this specific auction that merit consideration, and actually there's some really interesting bidding theory about this start of the auction exactly, but I think this is beyond the Novice and Beginner forum.
#5
Posted 2025-July-28, 10:53
Jaybarnes, on 2025-July-28, 08:15, said:
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
If your seven were the ace of diamonds and the king of clubs, you should _want_ to bid, possibly with false preference.
If they included the QJ of the majors, maybe not.
#6
Posted 2025-July-28, 13:36
Jaybarnes, on 2025-July-28, 08:15, said:
Does 2C over 1NT response carry some meaning I'm not aware of?
Your expert partner should say nothing and talk about the hands after the game. Ignore them.
As far as raises after 2C?
It's complicated 😔
With weakish hand and some D support, rebid 2D.
I was taught a raise to 3C is weakish, a blocking bid.
With more and clubs, bid 2S.
In fact to get more complicated you can bid 2S with invitational in d or clubs, over 2S partner bids 2NT and you rebid your club or D support, tricky.
Your 1NT bid is limited, agree?
Your 1NT bid denied 4 spades, agree?
Bid 2NT with stoppers and invitational
values.
All of the above is one application, there are others.
Good luck.
#7
Posted 2025-July-28, 13:56
Jaybarnes, on 2025-July-28, 08:15, said:
Self proclaimed "experts" and "world class" on BBO usually means they learned the game yesterday, the same day they signed up for an account. While there are "real" experts on BBO, you probably aren't going to be playing with one of them in a 4 board tournament. You would not be far off by completely ignoring every one of them.
#8
Posted 2025-July-28, 14:18
#9
Posted 2025-July-28, 15:11
DavidKok, on 2025-July-28, 08:33, said:
It's worth noting that it is impossible to hold 4 clubs and at most 2 diamonds in this auction, because then you would have a four card major and not have responded 1NT.
At least, it should be impossible; having looked up the hand record, I suspect the four card spade suit that was actually held was what the OP's partner was more upset about; either that or their own misclick of 2♣ holding a 6 card diamond suit and just 2 clubs. Unfortunately, in these types of tournaments, it's rare to find any hand resembling normal bridge - every result tends to be pretty much random.
#10
Posted Today, 07:59
DavidKok, on 2025-July-28, 08:33, said:
This is why I like "limited opening" systems, like Precision. If you open something other than one diamond, partner knows he's going to need at least ten points for any hope of game.
Before someone berates me for introducing a Forcing Club system in the Novice and Beginner Forum, consider that in some countries, Precision is the "beginner" system.
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