[jillybean]

I couldn't believe it but did know what my second bid would be.

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Keycard?

[mike777]

Yes
4D kickback, if permitted

[jillybean]

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Everything is permitted

[thepossum]

Given that this is NB I am just going to use Blackwood

[jillybean]

thepossum, on 2025-November-11, 23:00, said:

Given that this is NB I am just going to use Blackwood

Responder shows 2Aces

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 I prefer 4D to 3D.
4D is a splinter, what the meaning of 3D is, is anybodies guess.
#2 After Keycard, and 2 Aces, ..., you should have a 6-3 fit, i.e.
the Queen will drop in 50% of the cases, but you still have
a spade looser to take care of.
Remember, that p is a passed hand, 2KC translate to 8HCP, he has
at most 11, this may be the Q of trumps, it maybe the ...

Hence go low, 6C.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jillybean]

We’ve show a big hand, 3D is a cue do we want to take away another level of bidding by showing the shortage ? Or give partner chance to cooperate further ?

I agree with the rest of your comments

[bluenikki]

P_Marlowe, on 2025-November-12, 05:17, said:

Hi,

#1 I prefer 4D to 3D.
4D is a splinter, what the meaning of 3D is, is anybodies guess.

In an inflexible hand like this, a singleton is just another second round control.

[mike777]

 jillybean, on 2025-November-12, 04:29, said:

Responder shows 2Aces

7C


Six clubs may go down

Live a little 😉😎

[jillybean]

mike777, on 2025-November-12, 06:38, said:

7C


Six clubs may go down

Live a little 😉😎

Be my partner for the next Sectional?

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2025-November-12, 05:50, said:

We’ve show a big hand, 3D is a cue do we want to take away another level of bidding by showing the shortage ? Or give partner chance to cooperate further ?

I agree with the rest of your comments

We tell him, that we dont need diamonds values, any other values are great.
It also makes clear, that we play clubs.

3D may or may not be looking for 3NT.

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on 2025-November-12, 10:07, said:

We tell him, that we dont need diamonds values, any other values are great.
It also makes clear, that we play clubs.

3D may or may not be looking for 3NT.

I have shown a strong hand with the black suits, if partner bids 3nt (aka ♦ control) I will continue with a ♥ cue

[P_Marlowe]

jillybean, on 2025-November-12, 10:26, said:

I have shown a strong hand with the black suits, if partner bids 3nt (aka ♦ control) I will continue with a ♥ cue

P hopefully does not pass your 4H bid.

But as long as you are on the same page as p, all is fine.

[jillybean]

P_Marlowe, on 2025-November-12, 12:58, said:

P hopefully does not pass your 4H bid.

Just another hand to discuss

[pescetom]

I like the auction up to 2♠

If this is N/B, I also like the 3♣ natural, but then the rest is demential. It's important they learn how to decide which strain to play, including NT after a minor fit, Keycard asking can come much later when they already know how to recognise when they have a good chance of slam.

If this is I/A, I would prefer 3♣ to be an artificial game force, probing either naturally or in a structured way for 3 card hearts support or some other indication of direction.

[jillybean]

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Here's the full hand, your auction may be different as I expect some will open in 1st seat.

I didn't play it, I was sent the hand from one of the several pairs who fell into the 3nt abyss.

[HardVector]

jillybean, on 2025-November-12, 18:48, said:

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Here's the full hand, your auction may be different as I expect some will open in 1st seat.

I didn't play it, I was sent the hand from one of the several pairs who fell into the 3nt abyss.

Note that the grand depends upon a 2-2 club split, which is anti-percentage. Way back in the day, I was told that you need to be about 75% sure to elevate a slam to grand.

[thepossum]

jillybean, on 2025-November-12, 04:29, said:

Responder shows 2Aces

with or without the Queen? sorry you posted the hand - without
let me think next. I guess I am in 6 clubs - not sure if I can risk NT - the queen gives me 6NT unless very unlucky - no it doesn't sorry

[pescetom]

I think almost anyone would open North, after which we probably reach a moysian 6♥ (we would miss clubs with our methods).

If South opens it gets tricky after 2♠. North might opt for a cautious 2NT moderateur to see how South reacts, or make a 3♣ game force. In either case South might take a view and push towards 6♣ but might also propose 3NT which is likely to conclude things at MP.

[bluenikki]

pescetom, on 2025-November-13, 06:53, said:

moysian 6♥

I apologize for the quibble, but moysian means 4-3.